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Old 09-22-2008, 01:44 AM   #11
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Must you always try to start a damn fight?

I used the drill to clean out the big stuff. because the barrel was full of crap.
Maybe challenging people on bad information seems like starting a fight to you, but when someone asks for help I try to provide it. If you're gonna mention something that can cause damage, explain why it's not a good idea so that others that don't know won't make a mistake that ruins their rifle. Turning a cleaning rod that's in the bore of a rifle at high rpm's with a drill is a sure way to damage rifling AND the crown, particularly if it's a segmented cleaning rod. I see in your profile that you are a "benchrest" shooter? Tell me, why do benchrest shooters use non-metallic one-piece cleaning rods? And do any of your benchrest pals chuck their cleaning rods in a drill to clean their bores? If that's how you remove crud in the barrel of a rifle, have at it - but other's out here who may be unfamiliar with prooper cleaning techniques might not appreciate ruining their guns accuracy and then finding out that it was due to bad information they read on a firearms forum. I've been cleaning gun barrels for longer than you are old and I've done a lot more reading on the subject - like the original poster, I take great care when cleaning barrels since it is during the cleaning process when most barrels are susceptible to damage.


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I once took a cleaning rod with a bronze brush and hooked it to a drill to really scrub a fouled bore. I would not tell anyone to do this ever.
Maybe if you could read you would see what I really said.

I just gave it as an example of something that I had done. I did not tell the guy to go and do it. In fact of you read above I said not to do it.

So yes to me you are trying to start a fight.


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[QUOTE=cpttango30;41673]Maybe if you could read you would see what I really said.

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And if you could read and comprehend what you are reading you would be able to understand this:

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If you're gonna mention something that can cause damage, explain why it's not a good idea so that others that don't know won't make a mistake that ruins their rifle.
I have better things to do than pick a fight over your cleaning technique!
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All I did was say that I have done it and I also said I would not tell anyone to do it. The rifle was going to go in the junk heap so their was no reason to worry about damaging the barrel The darn thing had not been cleaned in aprox 35 years and had not been shot in over 20 years until right before i cleaned it. So I did what I did and it ended up working for the better and ended up shooting better than it did before.

I am sorry you disagree with what I did. I did it and that is it. I just added it in there as an example of extreme cleaning. It didn't hear the rifle at all so all is a wash.

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All I did was say that I have done it and I also said I would not tell anyone to do it. The rifle was going to go in the junk heap so their was no reason to worry about damaging the barrel The darn thing had not been cleaned in aprox 35 years and had not been shot in over 20 years until right before i cleaned it. So I did what I did and it ended up working for the better and ended up shooting better than it did before.

I am sorry you disagree with what I did. I did it and that is it. I just added it in there as an example of extreme cleaning. It didn't hear the rifle at all so all is a wash.
I'm NOT trying to argue with you - I am simply stating a fact that you will understand if you try to. There are actually two dimensions inside a rifled barrel. The first is measured across the lands, the second is measured across the grooves. There is a difference of approximately .002-010" of an inch depending on the rifle - this iis equal to the depth of the rifling groove. By spinning a cleaning rod with a brass-bristled brush at 500 rpms and forcing it down the barrel, instead of letting the brush turn the rod, it is physically impossible for the bristles to clean out the grooves. Why you might ask? Because the bristles CANNOT spring back fast enough to even make contact with the grooved portion of the barrel. It's impossible. The bristles being made of soft brass are in effect skipping over the grooves and only cleaning the surface of the lands. In fact, the brass bristles will deform to the smaller bore dimension defined by the land-to-land distance, not the larger groove-to-groove distance, and when you withdraw the brush, it will be permanently deformed and undersized, and useless as far as ever being capable of cleaning the grooves. What CAN happen is that the aluminum rod (which is in two or three sections and not meant to be rotated at high speed, except by the friction of the brush being pushed down the rifling) vibrates so violently that it contacts the lands scraping off microscopic particles of aluminum to become lodged in the grooves - this vibration can also destroy the crowned portion of the barrel where the rifling ends, and where the rapidly spinning, and out of balance, rod WILL contact the crown. Because of these problems with aluminum, sectioned rods, many shooters opt for one-piece non-metallic cleaning rods and many shooters use a muzzle guard to protect the crown from damage, particularly for lever-actions and semi-auto's that cannot be cleaned from the breech. Some companies even offer breech guides to prevent the cleaning rod from contacting the throat of the chamber. Most barrel damage is achieved from improper cleaning techniques, and the fact that aluminum and brass are softer than steel does not prevent damage, since particles of either will destroy a bore when a bullet forces these particles into the steel.
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OK, fight's over. You are BOTH winners...

I take a long time cleaning my guns as well. It is part of the fun, in a way. I never use hoppes to lube, I use it to clean. I use remoil or a brownells red oil (forget its actual name) to lube/protect.

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I used to use oil but moved away from it when I found Wilson Combat moly greese.

I hate hate cleaning guns. I don't clean mine unless they show signs of degrading accuracy. When I do though I take house to clean one rifle. Pistols are a bit easier and take about 30 to 45 minutes.



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