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Old 09-17-2008, 03:32 PM   #1
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I want to know if my method for cleaning my guns is good or bad. I use "Hoppes 9" for the final coat of lube. I used to have Remington oil, I think the "Hoppes 9" is better but I don't know if thats fact. Anyway, when I first start cleaning I will spray down metal parts with WD-40 or "Gun Scrubber"/ break cleaner. Then I will put a light coat of the Hoppes 9 on the metal/ action parts. I think this does a great job, but my main problem was the bore. I start with the cleaning rod and "metal brush" (not sure what it is called but it is a spiral copper type brush that attaches to the rod). Then, after a few passes through the barrel with that (all the way through from breech end to muzzle). I use a patch saturated in oil/cleaner (right now im using "Hoppes 9). Then I take a clean patch and run it through. I repeat the whole process over and over and it seems like it takes a lot of time and many patches; mabey 50. The patch never seems to come out clean. I want to know if properly cleaning a barrel should be this hard and time consuming



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Old 09-17-2008, 03:47 PM   #2
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Wow - that is a lot of info run together, without offering too much in the way of specifics.

First off - Using the Bronze/Copper Bore Brush is a fine idea and works well, but you need the right one for the bore size and because it's made of softer material than your barrel, they do wear down and become smaller. Is your Bore Brush new? Or at least the correct size for the barrel in question?

Second - How many rounds are you cleaning after? I have NEVER known it to take me 50 patches to get a barrel clean. Ever.

There isn't anything "wrong" with your method, it will work fine for most, if not all, firearms. However, you have to have the right tools for the job.

At the end of the day, if you think what you are using isn't working for you, try a different product and see if you, personally, see a difference.

Butch's / Hoppes / M-Pro 7

I have used them all, but the one thing they all have in common, that is needed to correctly get the job done, is you. Plain old elbow grease goes a long ways.

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Hoppes is a CLEANER/ SOLVENT. Not a lubricant. I use it to wet areas that have powder or metal fouling, scrub, dry, and then lube with a lubricant.

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I want to know if my method for cleaning my guns is good or bad. I use "Hoppes 9" for the final coat of lube. I used to have Remington oil, I think the "Hoppes 9" is better but I don't know if thats fact. Anyway, when I first start cleaning I will spray down metal parts with WD-40 or "Gun Scrubber"/ break cleaner. Then I will put a light coat of the Hoppes 9 on the metal/ action parts. I think this does a great job, but my main problem was the bore. I start with the cleaning rod and "metal brush" (not sure what it is called but it is a spiral copper type brush that attaches to the rod). Then, after a few passes through the barrel with that (all the way through from breech end to muzzle). I use a patch saturated in oil/cleaner (right now im using "Hoppes 9). Then I take a clean patch and run it through. I repeat the whole process over and over and it seems like it takes a lot of time and many patches; mabey 50. The patch never seems to come out clean. I want to know if properly cleaning a barrel should be this hard and time consuming
WAYYYY tooo much.... You're not trying to eat out of the barrel, chrissakes!

1) wire brush several times
2) nitro solvent w/patch
3) wire brush again
4) small amount of lube on a patch
5) inspect bore and put it away...


Hell, I haven't used 50 patches 10 years!
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when I first start cleaning I will spray down metal parts with WD-40 or "Gun Scrubber"/ break cleaner.
Gun Scrubber good WD-40 BAD leave the WD-40 for screws and rusty bolts.

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Then I will put a light coat of the Hoppes 9 on the metal/ action parts. I think this does a great job, but my main problem was the bore.
This works or gun oil will work as well.

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I start with the cleaning rod and "metal brush" (not sure what it is called but it is a spiral copper type brush that attaches to the rod). Then, after a few passes through the barrel with that (all the way through from breech end to muzzle). I use a patch saturated in oil/cleaner (right now im using "Hoppes 9).
Sounds OK to me. I don't use a bore brush on my Stainless barrel. but my factory cromoly barrels I brush. I also like to use a jag to clean the barrel out then I use the slot patch holder and a wet patch for a few times. Then I let it sit for a few minutes.

I go threw at least 50 patches when cleaning the barrel.

1. wet down with slot holder and wet patch Hoppes #9
2. Scrub with bronze bore brush
3. Jag with a dry patch.
4. Jag with a dry patch.
5. inspect.
6. repeat 3 to 5 times.
7. Slot holder with Hoppes Benchrest copper solvent.
8. let sit for 15 minutes.
9. Jag and dry patch.
10. Jag and dry patch.
11. Gun slick Foaming bore cleaner allow to set for 30 to 60 minutes.
12. Jag with hoppes patch.
13. Jag with dry patch.
14. repeat 7-13 if needed.
15. Let foaming bore cleaner set over night.


I once took a cleaning rod with a bronze brush and hooked it to a drill to really scrub a fouled bore. I would not tell anyone to do this ever. That gun was going to get sold if accuracy did not improve so I tried after soaking the bore in Hoppes #9 over night. The gun did not get sold and is still shooting good today about 8 to 10 years after that cleaning.
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I once took a cleaning rod with a bronze brush and hooked it to a drill to really scrub a fouled bore. I would not tell anyone to do this ever. That gun was going to get sold if accuracy did not improve so I tried after soaking the bore in Hoppes #9 over night. The gun did not get sold and is still shooting good today about 8 to 10 years after that cleaning.

That's NOT a good idea! Spinning the brush at high speed just makes the bristles skip over the lands and leave the crap in the grooves - it also scratches the sh!t out of your bore and will cause the rod to hit the rifling, and after the first couple hundred revolutions the bristles are so compressed you might as well throw the brush away. Also, no solvent should be left in the bore overnight - especially, but mot limited to ammonia-based sovents - they can etch the bore.
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That's NOT a good idea! Spinning the brush at high speed just makes the bristles skip over the lands and leave the crap in the grooves - it also scratches the sh!t out of your bore and will cause the rod to hit the rifling, and after the first couple hundred revolutions the bristles are so compressed you might as well throw the brush away. Also, no solvent should be left in the bore overnight - especially, but mot limited to ammonia-based sovents - they can etch the bore.

Well it worked for that rifle it was a 94 winny and she went from 10" groups at 100 yards to 3" groups at 100 yards. I made one or two passes then stopped with the drill. Then I just scrubbed nd srubbed and scrubbed then did it some more. Wasn't no bore snake getting that sucker clean.
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You may have scoured the surface of the lands, but when you spin a brush down the bore at a rate which is greater than the rifling twist, it's impossible to clean between the grooves. Your continued manual cleaning and the overnight soaking is what cleaned the grooves - not the drill.

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Must you always try to start a damn fight?

I used the drill to clean out the big stuff. because the barrel was full of crap.

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Thanks for all the input. I guess I am just way to anal about cleaning my guns; I enjoy cleaning them almost as much as shooting them. I do clean them to the point were they look like they can have a meal served on them. I know this is rediculous. Again thanks; I was just going overboard and expecting the barrel to be 100% clean easily, but I know this is not possible unless I want to spend a lot of time and money on cleaning supplies.



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