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Old 09-03-2008, 12:45 AM   #31
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^ Should have taken it Ineff - That would have been a good trade for you...

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Old 09-03-2008, 03:21 AM   #32
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I throw out nightforce as a habbit. any of the top end optics are going to do you good. Loppy Mk4LR, IOR, NF, March, Ziess, Swar. If you are looking for top of the line glass thoes are going to get you in the top of the line range price encluded.

I like nightforce because you can get so many different reticles in them. If you really have to have a high price tag then get a US Optics. Great scopes and Exreamly great scope prices.

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US Optics makes some great glass-- under rated if you ask me. I had a ST10 that was built for CSGW-- it was a sweet scope but I traded it for a IOR 4-14 Flea Scope. Need the higher mag. If they made a fixed 14X scope I'd certainly jump on it.

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Old 09-03-2008, 11:35 AM   #34
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http://www.usoptics.com/product.php?partnumber=SN3-2200

They make a few with mag over 14x or do you want a stright 14x power?
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Ok let me back up here a little bit. Can you shoot 500 yards with a stock rifle? Yes you can if you are willing to accept marginal accuracy at best. If you figure 18" wide for a human chest that is just over 3.3moa. 3moa shooting at 500 yards is some really good shooting. No stock rifle will get you that I don't think.

You can go the cheap route.

Remington 700 SPS varmint in 308 $550

Sell SPS stock............. +$100
Sell SPS Barrel............ +$150
Buy HS Stock..............-$590
Buy Krieger Barrel 1-10" twist SS #7 contour........... $280
Buy Bader Ord. MAXIMIZED SCOPE RAIL.................. $150.00
Buy Badger Ord. Medium Scope Ring .....................$168.00
Buy Leupold 8.5-25x50 Mark 4 LR/T........................$1,379.95
Blue Print Remington action $400
Jewell Trigger Remington 700, 40X with Safety 1-1/2 oz to 4 lb......$228.99

Total............................................. .................$3495.95

Add another $500 to $1000 for a smith to put it all together. Granted you can save some money on the stock by buying a Bell & Carlson stock. Jewell Triggers are the best Timney will get you close and for less money. If you are selective on what you buy you can keep the price tag below $1500 or $2000.

This is not taking into account all the extras like case, bi-pod, reloading supplys if you reload ect......

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http://www.usoptics.com/product.php?partnumber=SN3-2200

They make a few with mag over 14x or do you want a straight 14x power?
Yea, I just want a fixed 14X---- ST14 they Mike (CSGW) said if he gets enough people that want them he can get USO to make a run of them-- but so far (year and a half) no joy. I think its a great in between scope-- you know when 10X isn't enough and 17X is too much. Bla bla bla.

I'm done buying variable scopes. I end up just leaving my Nikon Tactical (which you should add to your list of great scopes by the way-- The tactical line is leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of their line-- it's not just a revamp like what the variable MK4's are to Leupy-- so in other words the tactical line is as good if not better than a MK4 IMHO) on 10X-- and my S&B on it's highest setting anyways. I rarely shoot closer than 300 yards so I really don't need a variable. If the mirage is that bad that I can't see at 14X-- then lets face it-- it's too damn hot to be laying on the deck anyways!

Anyways-- back on topic.
Hitting a man sized target at 500 yards or 450 with a first round hit with a .270 (which is what we are talking about here)-- doubtful

If I were this guy I'd buy a 700P in .308-- adjust the trigger (cause they come with "adjustable triggers" now (they were always adjustable, but whatever)-- take off the buttpad-- mix in 4lbs of shot and some apoxy-- Put some good glass on it (IOR 10X-- MK4 10X-- ect) break it genitally (MHO) and within a very short time he'll be reaching out to 500 yards and hitting 4" pigeons all day long. Total cost 2.5K.
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Old 09-04-2008, 12:02 PM   #37
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Weaver used to make a 15x40mm called the KT-15 It is not of the Ziess quality but the ones I have used are bright clear and very good scopes.

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Old 09-13-2008, 08:54 PM   #38
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I shot on range at 600 yrds with stock mi garand and mil ball.kept them in black.I think it was 47 out of 50 score.the sks no.any of the others except I would rather have a savage as it is very accurate out of the box.
how many are geared up for this 500 plus sniper shooting .someone has been reading to many books or watching to much TV.as a match target shooter thats one thing.to do that shooting consistently you need to spend long hours practicing.at the time I did.what bad guys.enemy troops??they drop a mortar rd and thats it.youth!!

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Ah yes. I see the abuse is going to haunt me for years to come. The point that I think gets lost here is that I wanted to know the fair trade value of above guns, and then I specified what I was looking for in my future long arm. All valid questions and especially wise of me to ask the pros, I think. Thanks to many of you, I didn't make a bad trade.

The other thing my wounded pride is asking me to address is that yes, I don't know much about rifles, but that should not suggest that I am incapable of shooting them with accuracy. I came straight out of the police academy among the top LE shooters in Washington State until I resigned in 93.

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