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Old 09-02-2008, 09:57 PM   #11
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I am a died in the wool remmy man but man did someone slap you with a stupid stick? That 710 and that SKS are junk.

That browning would get you out there. But a good bolt gun would be your best bet. If you are wanting to take out people size targets at 500+ yards. You better start looking for something with some downrange power. The Military uses the 308 in a Remmy 700 for their 1000 and under sniping.

You are going to need $1000 just for glass on a very good rifle. I would get a Surgon action Kreiger Barrel and a McMillian A-5 stock. The Surgon action is a Remington take off. Kreiger makes the best single point cut rifling barrels out there and McMillian make the best synthetic stock on the market. I would then top it with a Nightforce 12-42x56mm scope in Badger ord rings and mounts. Chambered in 308 win. or a 300 winmag will get you moving in that direction.

You do not want to build a sniper rifle you want to build a long range precision rifle.

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Old 09-02-2008, 10:00 PM   #12
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Ineffable, kudos at your good sense of humor. I don't think JP meant anything serious by it - but the thread direction has taken a bit of a turn that isn't normal.... LOL

If you want to get a weapon platform, capable of the longer range, Zombie stopping type of hits you seem to be describing, none of these is a great choice for you.

Could they be made to work? Yes. Are they ideal? No.

550 yards is a long ways brother. 5 football fields if you think about it, just about endzone out of bounds to endzone out of bounds.

Should SHTF, do you have 500 plus yards of open field within your free fire zone around your place? If you do, then I suppose it's a valid concern.

If you walked into the shop with the same criteria, none of the weapons listed would be the direction we would point you towards. For what it's worth...

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PS - Every house should have a good quality boltgun in it. They are just so useful for all sorts of things.

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There is more to shooting long range than looking through the scope a pulling the trigger!! If the bad guys can't be gotten to by stealth, you really don't want to try to Quigley them from 500+ yards. They'll just spin that tank barrel around and fire at your muzzle flash. It would take you years to develop the stamina and shooting confidence to accurately hit anything beyond 250 yards repeatedly. Wait for them to get closer!! Keep the pistol!!

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550 yards is a long ways brother. 5 football fields if you think about it, just about endzone out of bounds to endzone out of bounds.

Should SHTF, do you have 500 plus yards of open field within your free fire zone around your place? If you do, then I suppose it's a valid concern.

Ha. I live in north Texas and I can see across the state. I wouldn't even ask if I were still in the NW.

Again, it seems like all choices are not good ones. I appreciate knowing that. I detest buyer's remorse
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Ha. I live in north Texas and I can see across the state.
You live in North Texas and don't own a long gun?!?! I thought they issued you those when you were either 1) Born there or 2) Moved in.

You aren't a Kommunist are you?! LOL

For North Texas Zombie Work - You need a .308 or larger weapon, preferably a bolt gun, with nice optics and an internal box mag for follow up shots.

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There is more to shooting long range than looking through the scope a pulling the trigger!! If the bad guys can't be gotten to by stealth, you really don't want to try to Quigley them from 500+ yards. They'll just spin that tank barrel around and fire at your muzzle flash. It would take you years to develop the stamina and shooting confidence to accurately hit anything beyond 250 yards repeatedly. Wait for them to get closer!! Keep the pistol!!
I said I didn't much about long guns, I didn't say I didn't know how to use them. (sorta what Quigley said...) I know how to work a cell phone, but I couldn't tell you how to fix one when it breaks.

Firing the weapon isn't an issue. Buying one that doesn't suck IS.
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You live in North Texas and don't own a long gun?!?! I thought they issued you those when you were either 1) Born there or 2) Moved in.

You aren't a Kommunist are you?! LOL

For North Texas Zombie Work - You need a .308 or larger weapon, preferably a bolt gun, with nice optics and an internal box mag for follow up shots.

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Gov Rick Perry is a left leaning republican, so I didn't get my gun. I'm trying to do it all on my own now

Thanks! That is the answer I need.
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You are going to need $1000 just for glass on a very good rifle. I would get a Surgon action Kreiger Barrel and a McMillian A-5 stock. The Surgon action is a Remington take off. Kreiger makes the best single point cut rifling barrels out there and McMillian make the best synthetic stock on the market. I would then top it with a Nightforce 12-42x56mm scope in Badger ord rings and mounts. Chambered in 308 win. or a 300 winmag will get you moving in that direction.

You do not want to build a sniper rifle you want to build a long range precision rifle.
Plus one on everything except the Nightforce-- barf-- sorry bad experience. IOR would be a better choice for less money (IMHO of course).

Or you can have Terry Cross build you two like mine...

Although my SB scope was a tad more than 2K.

I've got a A5 stock on order for this rifle:

been on order for 5 months now

And a BIG +1 on building a long range precision rifle---- NOT a SNIPER rifle.

Ineffable-- I was just poking at you-- I'm sorry if I offended you-- it was not my intention. I just feel strongly against the whole hunting bad guys at 500 yards coming from a non LEO (which they wouldn't normally try anyways) or military personnel.
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Ineffable - the BAR is worth more than the other rifles, is more accurate, and the .270 cal. offers more possibilities. The condition of the gun matters. If it was obvioously abused (light rust, stock dents, worn rifling) that changes things. Some older BAR's are worth a LOT of money - if they were made in Belgium. All new Brownings (since the mid-late 90's I believe) are made in Japan, and that's ok, just not worth as much. Like JD said though, for a long-range platform to be used for SHTF or Varmint/hunting, you need something different than the three you mentioned. Nothiing beats a good bolt action, of which the Rem 710 is NOT. In stock configuration I would reccomend either a Winchestewr Mod. 70 in .30-06, .308, or .300 WIn Mag, or a Remington 700 BDL in the same calibers. Or you can get an old Mauser action and work up your own rifle if you know a gun smith. Or you can do what I did and drop $850 on an AR-10 and save some more for a good scope.

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Gov Rick Perry is a left leaning republican, so I didn't get my gun. I'm trying to do it all on my own now

Thanks! That is the answer I need.
If you want, when you get serious, send me a PM with your wants and wishes, along with your budget and I will see if I can't get you pointed in the right direction.

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