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icallshotgun88 10-16-2013 10:42 PM

I just bought a Remington 700 and found a rail ill be installing on it...

I've watched a few videos online and EVERYONE seems to be JB welding it to the receiver and torquing it down...

I was a little afraid to do this myself (worried about getting the JB weld in the screw holes and I don't have a torque wrench) so I called a local gun smith and he said "just bolt in the 4 screws and you're good to go"...

I was wondering if he's right or not...

Is it really necessary to use JB weld and precisely torque down the screws? Or just a little lock tight and tighten it with a screw driver like the gun smith says...?

I so, why would EVERYONE on YouTube do it?


Oh...and it's a short action Remington 700 sps AAC SD with a 20 MOA Nightforce rail...use is for hunting and shooting paper (if that matters)

Thanks

icallshotgun88 10-17-2013 12:19 AM

Oh, and I just talked to another gunsmith at a LGS and he says the same thing...

The JB weld thing is unnecessary and he's never torqued down a rail on a rifle in his (32 year) gunsmith ing career...

He says "just tighten it down"...

Just seems odd. I youtube'd "Remington 700 rail install" and literally EVERYONE JB welds it and uses a torques it to spec...

How important is this?

robocop10mm 10-17-2013 12:33 AM

You do realize the 20 minute rail will make shooting at 200-300 yards nearly impossible, right? That rail will put the rear of the scope significantly higher than the front. It is intended for long range shooting, like 1000 yards

SSGN_Doc 10-17-2013 12:52 AM

I've seen people use, and I have used lock-tite on the screw threads to make sure they don't back out under recoil, but I've never used JB Weld in a scope mounting process. And yeah, the 20 MOA rail is intended to get you more elevation adjustment in your cross hairs if you intend to shoot 1000 yds and beyond. You could luck out and with a 30mm tubed scope have enough downward adjustment to still make 200 yd hits, on target. If your primary uses for the rifle and scope are for hunting inside if 600 yds, a standard Weaver, scope mount should be fine. Or there are versions by Leupold, Burris, etc. without the 20 MOA incline built in.

JonM 10-17-2013 12:53 AM

do not use jb weld.

find a different gunsmith!!

improperly torqued screws "just screwed down" can distort the reciever if over tight or come out and allow play or cause the rail itself to be off center.

get a wheeler FAT wrench. you need it anyway since reciever screws are never torqued evenelyy and are often a big cause of innacuaracy.

i generally torque reciever screws 55-60 inch pounds.

i torque rail screws down to around 45 inch pounds.

i also use rocksett instead of blue locktite since its got enough strength but not too strong and heat wont melt it.

if your mounting a 20 moa rail your going to need a good scope. most cheap scopes dont do well past 15moa as in tracking true. you are looking at a much pricier scope if you plan on long range shooting.

icallshotgun88 10-17-2013 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robocop10mm
You do realize the 20 minute rail will make shooting at 200-300 yards nearly impossible, right? That rail will put the rear of the scope significantly higher than the front. It is intended for long range shooting, like 1000 yards

I'didnt realize that...
Kinda new to all this
I've done ARs, shotguns and pistols but this will be my first boot gun that I've really played with..
I'll be doing hunting and mostly sub 300 yard shooting...
What's good for that?

robocop10mm 10-17-2013 01:00 AM

Standard one piece scope mount is best for sub 300 yard shooting. A buddy of mine put a 20 min base on his rifle and asked my why it still shot high at 300. I laughed at him, called him a dummy and told him to ask BEFORE he made such purchses in the future. He got the right mount and has a high time. Eventually he will use this rifle for long range (338 RUM), but needs to build his skills first.

JonM 10-17-2013 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icallshotgun88 (Post 1403878)
I'didnt realize that...
Kinda new to all this
I've done ARs, shotguns and pistols but this will be my first boot gun that I've really played with..
I'll be doing hunting and mostly sub 300 yard shooting...
What's good for that?

you dont need a canted rail till you hit 900-1000 yards...

i would just use a non canted version

i really like the nikon monarch line for decent hunting optics. next step up is the trijicon accupoint. just my pref

mrm14 10-17-2013 01:47 AM

Use the blue (removable) Locktite and for gods sake don't use JB Weld. If you have enough elevation range in your scopes erector you should be fine. However, inexpensive scopes won't have enough travel range in the erector for elevation to get away with a +20 moa rail for up close.

icallshotgun88 10-17-2013 01:54 AM

I'm lost..
So what rail would talk recommend for shooting 0-300/400 yards..?


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