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Mkilbride 08-18-2012 05:12 AM

Mosin Nagant not coated in Cosmoline?
 
So, at the gun store I purchased my 1938 Tula(In delay again, because they lost the FREAKING PAPER WORK, but they are going to give me like 75% off ammo, in exchange, not MilSurplus stuff, actual rounds I can use for hunting like SP or HP.

It was all goey as usual, as where all the Mosins. My hand smelt and were dirty as usual due to what I thought was Cosmoline.

The guy at the counter asked me if I knew how to clean it and I said yes, I had all the supplies and understood what to do, and that I knew to remove the Cosmoline.

He said there wasn't any. I cocked my head and questioned him. They were all in the original crates, they were all covered in this tannish much that stunk like grease. It was thick and oozy.

He said it was some type of packing grease? Not Cosmoline? He said I would have known if it was Cosmoline.

The one I picked up was rather dry though, then again, we've had a few weeks of 90 degree days, so I'm willing to bed the fact the bottom of the crate is wet with a puddle means it all melted off.

But is that right? These come right out the crate he says, they don't take em out or anything, they buy them by the crate, from a new supplier.

It kinda worries me. It makes it alot easier for me though as well to not deal with the process of removing it.

He said he owns 3 Mosin Nagants...so he should know his stuff, but it looks exactly like this picture:

http://wardragon.com/cruffler/pics/y...box-zoomed.jpg

(Yes, I know this is an SKS, but that is the substance that is on the guns in the box, it looks exactly the same)

I find it strange that they aren't coated in the crate...and I find it hard to believe as well that this guy who works at a gun store for several years and owns a few of these rifles would not know better.

Jpyle 08-18-2012 06:04 AM

It's cosmoline. Whatever he meant by new supplier means nothing...neither the Tula nor Izhevsk armories have produced 91/30s for decades, they have been in storage and were crated for export.

SSGN_Doc 08-18-2012 02:28 PM

It may not be "Cosmoline" because the Russian formula may be different, but it is effectively the same. A mix of oil, bees wax and grease.

Alot of these Mosins come out of caves that were used as storage facilities. Not even true warehouses. Often they are just placed in piles, not stacks or racks. They then get forklifted to a truck and taken for sorting and crating. Then shipped. What you get is what you get in the crate.

therewolf 08-18-2012 04:41 PM

It's also possible parts of the lubricant "mixture" separated and melted away,

or dried up, leaving what you have on the guns now.

This is 2012. I doubt most countries intended to store

pre WWI design bolt-action rifles clear into the middle

21st Century. They packed them in a solution deemed

sufficient for, likely, 20 years or so, stored them quickly,

and moved on to more important things in the armory,

and their lives...

marc29th 08-18-2012 05:12 PM

The guy at my LGS said it wasn't cosmoline as well, I just said OK and went home and cleaned the cosmoline off my Mosin-Nagant :-)

Mkilbride 08-18-2012 05:18 PM

Well it's quite odd, it's a local gun store, not some chain and most of these guys have worked there 20 years.

Just odd! OH well, everyone makes mistakes. Though he might have thought that because the room was so hot, I believe most melted off(Some parts of the stock looked like dried beachwood!)

Chainfire 08-18-2012 09:43 PM

It can astound you how little knowledge of guns many gun shop owners posses. I have heard some ignorant, silly crap come across gun counters. I had one owner tell me a Mosin shot 30.06, and the one I was holding was a CAI import. (yea, I know some have been converted, but they are few and far between) A common description of a Mosin is a Russian Mauser...... Most shop owners don't have any interest in guns that sell in the under $200.00 range; they can't keep the rent paid.

If memory serves me, Cosmoline is a trade name, so Russian or Soviet guns, packed away in the post WWII years were certainly not covered with "Cosmoline", so he was partly correct. Several years ago, as a joke, I started a rumor that Russian cosmoline was "Ear wax", and went through the process of the how the Soviets collected it. I have seen that theory posted on several fourms, as a real possibility, in the years since. :)

Remove the Cosmoline from your Mosin metal with boiling water and a wipe-down. (it works like a champ) I use mineral spirits on the wood, without damaging the finish. I have gone through the cleaning process over 40 times, it works.

JonM 08-18-2012 09:57 PM

its "technically" not cosmoline but it has the exact same properties and works the exact same way for the exact same reasons we use cosmoline.

cosmoline is a good enough word for it since you remove the russian preservative with the same methods cosmoline is removed.


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