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Lefty 05-16-2009 04:26 AM

Mosin Nagant
 
I picked up a Mosin Nagant M44 and a Mossberg .22 a few years ago and I just got around to shooting the M44 last summer. I'm not a crack shot by any count (I'm mainly a handgunner), but I couldn't hit paper from 25 yards. I shot fine with the .22 so it's not my eyes or my hands.

I know nothing about the sights and I was hoping to figure them out once I got some holes for reference. Someone at the range told me that the M44s were sighted with the bayonet out so I tried that with no improvement (It's a novelty gun, so the bayonet stays.)

I know Russian rifles aren't known for their precision, but is there something obvious I'm missing (besides the broad side of a barn)?

dragunovsks 05-16-2009 04:48 AM

Check the position of your rear sight, if it's slid up to far it could be causing you to miss your target. Are your misses consistent or are they all over the paper? Sometimes a rifle would benefit from a good cleaning.

Of course, you might just need some practice, fortunately the Mosin-Nagant is farely inexpensive to shoot so practice won't smoke your wallet.:D

Laufer 05-16-2009 05:11 AM

Lefty;

A friend (co-worker) is a bonafide marksman, and was on a military rifle team for years.

I finally had a chance for Mike to test one of my common Russian MN 44s at a range.
The target is the black plastic peel-off type, and Mike had my rifle on his small bean bags at 50 yards.

Out of the ten or so rounds, all Bulgarian HB, he never found holes for two of them, and the rest were really scattered, maybe two near the bull's eye.
I'm too new to guns to know what the problem really is (though I'm 53), but various people on these websites suggest 'bedding' the rifle, which I've only read about.
Others claim that even limited corrosion might be a curse (this bore is fairly shiny), or just a worn crown.
But even with hot barrels, both my Mini 30 and SKS are much better, along with the LE 'Jungle Carbine'.

Among other places, you can get some good ideas from the experienced MN shooters at "Gunandgame".

CA357 05-16-2009 04:53 PM

Make sure the rear sight is in the right position, then clean the heck out of the barrel. Mosins have spent their existence shooting corrosive ammunition and their barrels can be a real mess.

With any luck, the barrel will clean up well enough to get you minute of zombie at 100 yards. A group of up to six inches or so is not uncommon. If it does better, that's more of an exception rather than the rule. Four inches is excellent.

Remember, it's an old battle rifle that was designed to be used by peasants under all types of conditions. Mosins are incredibly strong and dependable, but they aren't necessarily tack drivers.

Ammunition will make a big difference as well. In my M38 and 91/59, Yugoslavian heavy ball produced excellent groups, but they also produced one heck of a kick. Try out some different weights of ammunition too. I believe that Polish ammo is supposed to be pretty good as well.

You may want to pick up a box or two of commercial ammunition to see what that does as well. Winchester shot incredibly well and accurately.

If none of that does the job, sell it and buy another one, they're cheap enough to buy and sell regularly. If worse comes to worst, you can extend the bayonet and use it as a garden stake. ;)

c3shooter 05-16-2009 09:16 PM

At 25 yards, you will be shooting REALLY high. I think the lowest sight setting is 100 yards. As the guys said, clean the bore (and chamber) check the rear sight position. Many of these have bad rifling at the muzzle, and accuracy goes in the toilet. and get a really big target until you find out where it is shooting. Seriously, get a 3'x3' sheet of cardboard.

flyingbrickracing 05-16-2009 11:50 PM

All good adivce,for more try mosinnagant.net .
Surplusrifle.com also has some good info.

Rex in OTZ 05-19-2009 10:28 PM

M44 and the bayonet
 
M44's should have a bayonet attached!!
By removing the bayonet it throws off the sights considerbly, also the type ammo used makes a big difference verticaly at 100yds a 140gr steel core milsurp ammo shoots 10 inches high in my scoped Mosin P-27 and useing 205gr heavy soft point is dead on! the carbines with bayonets were enginerred to be fired with the bayonet installed and extended!
I think it best to check out the data on battle sight settings as (Russia) dident zero there weapons at 100yds so if you tried to zero (POA) at 100 yds you are going to be waaaaay off with a missing bayonet!

Milsurprifle.com is a good place to check also Gunboards.com as well
there should be links that directly will be able to help you with sight work.

7.62 Man 05-20-2009 12:36 AM

Do a bullet check on your Mosin like this;
GOOD
http://i41.tinypic.com/dwoymw.jpg
The Mosin above is a Polish circle 11, it shoots great. I have shot 18in. gongs at 400yds. (after a few shots to find the target) it can shoot farther than I can see.
Or BAD
http://i40.tinypic.com/oiajow.jpg
The bottom Mosin (Hungarian marked 02) has a bad barrel the tip of the bullet goes all the way in to the case. It was a cheap buy I picked up it is fun to shoot, but the only way it will hit anything is with heavy ball ammo some thing with a dia. of .311 or larger. Then it is only good to about 75yds. hitting about a 9 to 10 in. circle.
I tried the light ammo and I could not hit the back stop.

And Rex is right you need the bayonet attached, mine doesn't need to be out to shoot but without it my Mosin's shoot all over the place. I think it has to do with the vibration of the barrel.
Here is a good link for picking out what ammo to buy for a sick gun. Check the ammo's dia. and find some large enough to grab the rifling.
7.62x54r Ammunition Evaluations
Click on DATA to find the dia. & a picture of the package it comes in.

gregs887 05-23-2009 05:33 AM

Ditto on the rear sight and the bayonet. Give it a thorough cleaning and you should be good to go. My M91 had a crap ton of cosmoline all over it that took a while to clean. night and day difference.

Laufer 05-31-2009 05:02 AM

7.62 Man:

'Roger that'. The bottom photo is the same is with mine.
Though I've had the one MN 44 since last August, maybe some extra nitro solvent in the bore followed by lots of drying could help?


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