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Old 12-07-2011, 12:48 PM   #21
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The Russians must have gotten something right with the 7.62x54r since it's been manufactured and in service since 1891 .
One of the oldest that's still in use. there's only a select few that can claim that. Winchester 97, SAA models and repros, small number of others. But I think the 91/30 is one if the most common golden oldies.
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I use Winchester hollow point 180 grains
How the hollow points work ive seen sellior n bellot ones im a firm beleiver in em for pistols and my 30/30
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The MN is a good rifle and can give some remarkable accuracy. The round itself is powerful, up there with the .308. By all means lay in some of the surplus military ammo for long term storage, comes in 440 rd sealed cases. The hunting ammo with expanding bullets work quite well on deer or anything else you would use a .30 cal rifle for. Not sure about hollow-point projectiles as the bullet velocity might cause immediate expansion and break up or otherwise lack penetration. I believe that Winchester or Sellier and Belot ammo would be best for hunting, or possibly Norma. Reloading your own from the Winchester, Norma or Sellier is possible as well tho I have not done so with the Russian round.
In the shorter M44 or M38 carbines the muzzle will be interesting, especially at dusk.. quite a flash! The longer 29 inch barrels have less flash and much less recoil. More accurate over distance also. There are scopes/mounts made for the Mosin, shop around.
These rifles are still inexpensive enuff to set a couple of them back for future use if need be. They were designed to be used by poorly trained hicks off the plantations and are simple, straight-forward and almost unbreakable. They served well in the 1905 war with Japan, in ww1, the Revolution and any number of skirmishes and then again in ww2. They also served in Korea and Vietnam. In a shtf situation they might be useful as trading stock or arming a friend or relative who comes to the party naked.
Another avenue worth exploring is the Finn (as in Finland) versions. A bit more expensive that the Russian and with a different stock, they are highly accurate, winning several international championships and competing in the Olympics.
I'm a Mauser or Enfield man by personal preference but have never felt under-gunned (for a bolt gun) when using the Mosin rifle. Good luck, enjoy!

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Dun, The 7.62x54r was in the running of the 1890..1910 arms race. It is comparable to the .30-06, 8x57, .303 Brit. The round came about in 1891, spitzer in 1902. The .30-06 waited till 1906 to catch up. From a power factor, it beats the .308 (1952). Cases contain 2 cans. 1 can has 440 rounds. Some have 400, 360 rounds. Russia did not have plantations, they also had a professional army against Japan, not conscripts. The Finns collected many in the winter war as the Soviet higher ranks were decimated by the Stalin purge. The best hunting ammo comes from Russia. 203gr JSP. The Mauser, Enfield is a different thread.

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If you are a history buff, these rifles are a treasure. Although they were cleaned up, reblued and broken or worn parts were changed in the 1960s and 70s prior to them going into long term storage, these are guns that are war veterans.

The older ones saw Duty in the Russian/Japanese war, WWI, the Russian revolution, and WWII. The Russians were always short of firearms and there are very few of these rifles that are not veterans of many a conflict. Newer ones were used in Korea, Vietnam, Afganistan and other wars.

There is almost no chance that a wartime production gun was not fired in anger. Many times these went directly from the factory to the front lines in the hands of new troops.

They have to be one of the least expensive historic rifles to own and shoot. They are powerful, and if you are lucky, damn accurate. If you are unlucky, they are still accurate enough for all practical purposes. The surplus and corrosive ammo is cheap as dirt, but you do have to clean your rifle properly after each shooting session when using it. A lot of the surplus ammo is steel core and comes close to American AP rounds. The "silver tip" I am now shooting will blow through 3/8" mild steel like butter at 100 yards.

Although someone said that they would never be "rare" that is probably true, but I have placed a serious bet that they will increase in value more than inflation and be a good savings account. Some that I bought for $75.00 two years ago now can't be bought for $200.00. Will that last? Who knows, but you used to be able to buy Mausers for $20.00 all day long.

For $100.00 for a accurate, high-power rifle, how can you go wrong.

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Just wanted to point out, some are actually still being used against our guys in afghanistan.

My point being, it's a rifle that is still fighting to this day.

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some people call them the poor mans 308, one of the best guns I own I like it better then my model 700, ammo is dirt cheap, powerful, and pretty fun to shoot all around.

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I've had my M44 for several years now and have enjoy it as much as any other rifle I own. I gave $75 for mine shipped to my door and ammo back then cost me $30 per 300 rd. tin.

It was accurate enough to hit soda cans at 100 yds. with the iron with surplus LB ammo but beyond that my old eye just don't do as well as the rifle will shoot so I put a scout scope on mine. Since I hand load as well as cast my own bullets for the 54r I can get the added benefit from using the scope. I going to pick up a couple 91/30's and a few more tins of ammo first of the year.

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Ive had my m44 for about six years now, got mine for 89 at a local gunstore. I went through every rifle they had, worked the actions, looked at bores, examined the stocks. I got one with a somewhat shiny, non pited bored very smooth action and it shoots very got with iron sights. Ive shot at old truck doors at up to 500 yards and hit them.

My dad has a chinese mosin, that he has had for years and still loves to shoot.

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I've had my M44 for several years now and have enjoy it as much as any other rifle I own. I gave $75 for mine shipped to my door and ammo back then cost me $30 per 300 rd. tin.

It was accurate enough to hit soda cans at 100 yds. with the iron with surplus LB ammo but beyond that my old eye just don't do as well as the rifle will shoot so I put a scout scope on mine. Since I hand load as well as cast my own bullets for the 54r I can get the added benefit from using the scope. I going to pick up a couple 91/30's and a few more tins of ammo first of the year.
What kind of scout mount did you use? I have been wanting to put a scout scope on my 91/30 for quite some time now.
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