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Old 04-08-2012, 02:50 PM   #11
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I still can't understand the fascination with the 30-30???? when there are so many good modern, even in lever actions, out there. The 30-30 is a rimmed, flat nose cartridge with a rainbow trajectory and a small powder capacity, that was originally designed for black powder. I know, I know, it has killed more deer than any other cartridge; but it has wounded (and missed) more deer than any other cartridge also. I can't understand why it is still hanging on. The gun writers hardly mention it anymore. I suppose that all of the Marts still carry it and as a result most of the uninformed shooters still buy them. I still can't understand why people often equate it with the .308, the 30-06, etc. It isn't even in the same ballpark. That's like comparing a little league hitter to Albert Pujols. They ain't even close.
To the OP, if you must have a lever action, check out the Browning LAR, the Savage 99, or the Winchester 88 in a higher intensity modern center fire round such as the .243, .308, .284, or .358. If it has to be between the '94 or the 336, the Marlin action w/ its side ejection is hard to beat, but I would get it in the .35 Remington, even though it's old it is a much more improved cartridge over the old 30-30.
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I don't think it is the 30-30 cartridge some people like so much; it is the lever-action rifles. I can't speak for the younger people but when I was a kid the Winchester lever-action rifles gained a lot of popularity through the movies and television. Of course, these rifles were glorified on screen. People saw John Wayne being a hero with one. Chuck Conners took the popularity of the Winchester lever-action rifle to even greater heights as The Rifleman. Just like today with the Aks and Ars, lots of people wanted a Model 94 because of what they saw on screen. I remember when the second Rambo movie came out "survival" knives were selling like hotcakes. Even today lots of people like shooting them because they are small, light and easy to use. I love shooting my 94 but I have a .243, .270 and a couple of .308s that are great also. People who like their 30-30s are touting the ballistics of this cartridge; they just like shooting their rifles. The 30-30 is not a total dog of a cartridge. I have a friend who has a Henrys chambered in .44mag. With my Model 94 I can outshoot him hands down. Well, of course I have been shooting my rifle for 40 years.

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You specified two different uses for the rifles so I gave you a compromise that would cover both uses. The 30-30 would be the better hunter while the Mini would be the better plinker. What is more important to you? By the way, you can pick up 50 yards with 30-30 Leverlution ammo which has a pointed soft plastic tip and is safe in tube magazines. In shorter range areas the 30-30 is still a very good cartridge and has probably taken more deer than all the other calibers combined. A good pre 64 Winchester 94 for $400 is a good price. I am puzzled by the scope though. It would have to be side mounted and probably offset. Were mounting holes drilled in the receiver which would reduce value? The much newer 94AE had holes drilled in the top for a scope.
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BTW, I sold an insistant buddy my .30-30 Marlin -- mint gun and nice arm. But he got tired of it for target/plinking and insisted on buying my shortened-to-18" Ruger 77 All Weather bolt in .223.
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I'd go with the .30-30.
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My first center fire rifle was a Winchester 30-30 lever action and I currently have a mini 14. Both are great guns and it all comes down to what you want to do with them.

The mini is a lot of fun to shoot and ammo is cheap. You can also do a ton of tinkering with the mini as far as set up and improving accuracy, which is part of the fun of owning a mini. Accuracy is also pretty good on the new models with good ammo (1in groups at 100yards are not a problem for me).

As for the Winchester, well there's just something special about a lever action Winchester. As you mentioned the Winchester would be good for deer as well as some target shooting. The Winchester would also be a better long term investment especially if you go with an older model like a pre 64.

Again, it all comes down to what you want to do. If you want to tinker with the gun and do a lot of target/varmint shooting then go with the mini. If you want something to shoot occasionally, hunt with on occasion, and have a nice rifle in the cabinet from a collecting standpoint get an older Winchester.
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There are three Winchester Lever Actions in the gun safe here, a 30-30 Trapper Model.
a .357 I think its a Winchester, maybe not, it's the Son's rifle, and my Winchester Model 1892 in .45 Long Colt caliber...talk about a hog gun, that one will cut the mustard .
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I own a mini 14 and a mini 30.

The 30-30 is what you should get. The feel, the history, the smell ( yes smell), you will be glad you did.

A Winchester 30-30 just say's

"I AM AN AMERICAN RIFLEMAN.."
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Get the Winchester and you will never regret it. I have both and love both of them, but the deal makes all the difference. Use the Hornady Leverevolution ammo. Personally I don't like scoped lever guns but to each his own. Wait for another great deal on another Mini 14 in the future.
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When I was very young my foster dad had a Winchester 30-30 lever action, what a great firearm, the look, the feel, yeah and the smell. I've thought of owning one, they are compact and are great for up to 100 yard shots. I don't think I'd want one scoped. As to a Mini 14 generally ammo is always available, that being said there has been a huge demand on .223 ammo and here in S.W. Oregon there is non on Wal-Mart shelves or other sporting good stores (Fear of Obama being reelected). I'm not sure I'd want a newer model lever after talking to a gunsmith friend about the quality of some of the firearms manufactured these days but would not hesitate getting an older Winchester lever.
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Its kind of to late to start now, but if you reload for either one it is a little cheaper to shoot. Plus the benefits in accuracy are well worth it. My Mini is very particular with ammo. Some of that Federal American Eagle Tactical and the AR will literally bounce off the ground in front of the target on some shots and the Black Hills will get 8 or 10 inch "groups (more like a "pattern"). The handloads with 55 grain Hornady FMJ is at a 3 inch group (bone stock iron sights Mini, at least until I put the Mo-Rod and Mo-Reaper on next week). I have not fully developed my loads for it though.

The .30-30 is good for 2 inches at 100 yards, iron sights. Maybe the boys shoot it better as their eyes are younger.
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