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bf109 11-01-2010 11:42 PM

Military Surplus - German 98K WWII - where to get?
 
I'm interested in getting a WWII German 98K. What're the reliable sources where I can buy it? Are there many genuine ones available at a reasonable price?

I read there're many 98K variants in the market. What're the going price for a military surplus WWII German 98K and its variants,, respectively?

What ammo does the 98K use? Any new productions?

Thanks for your input.

colmustard 11-01-2010 11:54 PM

Well I found mine at a local gun shop a little over 300 for it. Also I have seen advertisments in magazines for mitchells mausers and there prices vary, try looking them up. Also th k98 shoots a 8mm round. hope this helps any.:)

jpattersonnh 11-02-2010 12:46 AM

K98 started in WWI as the K98a. WWII era were K98k's. There are 11 variants I can think of. Mitchell's Mausers are a rip off. Scrub, re-blue, renumber....

Most of the German K98's out there now are Soviet capture. These rifles are miss matched, have an X struck on the receiver and have a thick black paint over the blueing. Small parts such as the sight hood and capture screws will be missing.
You may be able to find a Czech post war K98. These were assembled out of the parts at Brno(Brunn) from both Czech arsenals. The Czech rifles added back features dropped by the Germans late in the war. These rifles tend to be the best shooters and have a superior fit and finish to mid..late war German rifles.

All K98's started as 8x57, with the exception of Belgian Mausers.
Other alternatives to a K98 would be a Belgian M24, Yugo M24, 24/47, M48,
Czech Vz24, Polish Wz29. The Wz29 is almost impossible to find as Germany gobbled them up in 1939.

The best shooters of all of them are Czech K98's and Yugo 24/47's. IMHO of course.

Original matching K98k...$600.00..2000.00+++++
Soviet capture..$250.00..400.00
Czech K98..$225.00...400.00
Yugo's...$150.00...400.00

bf109 11-02-2010 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpattersonnh (Post 378666)
K98 started in WWI as the K98a. WWII era were K98k's. There are 11 variants I can think of. Mitchell's Mausers are a rip off. Scrub, re-blue, renumber....

Most of the German K98's out there now are Soviet capture. These rifles are miss matched, have an X struck on the receiver and have a thick black paint over the blueing. Small parts such as the sight hood and capture screws will be missing.
You may be able to find a Czech post war K98. These were assembled out of the parts at Brno(Brunn) from both Czech arsenals. The Czech rifles added back features dropped by the Germans late in the war. These rifles tend to be the best shooters and have a superior fit and finish to mid..late war German rifles.

All K98's started as 8x57, with the exception of Belgian Mausers.
Other alternatives to a K98 would be a Belgian M24, Yugo M24, 24/47, M48,
Czech Vz24, Polish Wz29. The Wz29 is almost impossible to find as Germany gobbled them up in 1939.

The best shooters of all of them are Czech K98's and Yugo 24/47's. IMHO of course.

Original matching K98k...$600.00..2000.00+++++
Soviet capture..$250.00..400.00
Czech K98..$225.00...400.00
Yugo's...$150.00...400.00

Thanks so much. This is very informative.

So the Czech K98 is the Czech Vz24 you mentioned. Are there any other variants of Czech K98 that I should be aware of?

Where can I find an excellent condition Czech K98? Do I have to have my local gun shop get it for me?

Is the 8mm x57 ammo readily available? Are they expensive?

Thanks.

jpattersonnh 11-02-2010 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bf109 (Post 378764)
Thanks so much. This is very informative.

So the Czech K98 is the Czech Vz24 you mentioned. Are there any other variants of Czech K98 that I should be aware of?

Where can I find an excellent condition Czech K98? Do I have to have my local gun shop get it for me?

Is the 8mm x57 ammo readily available? Are they expensive?

Thanks.

VZ24 is not a K98. It is a Mauser, a very good Mauser. Aim surplus still has Romanian that is not bad ammo. It all goes bang and is pretty accurate. $99.00 for 340 rounds. Stay away from 1950's Yugo. Lots of duds.
Estate sales and auctions are great places to get ammo. I bought 1600 round cases of 1949 Turk Heavy ball a few years ago, no one else knew what it was as the case was stamped 7.92. $110.00 each OTD. Real hot ammo, My 24/47's love it.
Excellent condition Czech 98's will be hard to find. Samco Global has 24/47's for about $200.00 and they are arsenal refurbished/ Excellent condition.
https://www.samcoglobal.com/1-M24-47.html
The bent bolt 24/47's have M48 bolts in them.
It has to go through your FFL (gun shop) unless you have an 03FFL.

bf109 11-02-2010 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpattersonnh (Post 378911)
VZ24 is not a K98. It is a Mauser, a very good Mauser. Aim surplus still has Romanian that is not bad ammo. It all goes bang and is pretty accurate. $99.00 for 340 rounds. Stay away from 1950's Yugo. Lots of duds.
Estate sales and auctions are great places to get ammo. I bought 1600 round cases of 1949 Turk Heavy ball a few years ago, no one else knew what it was as the case was stamped 7.92. $110.00 each OTD. Real hot ammo, My 24/47's love it.
Excellent condition Czech 98's will be hard to find. Samco Global has 24/47's for about $200.00 and they are arsenal refurbished/ Excellent condition.
https://www.samcoglobal.com/1-M24-47.html
The bent bolt 24/47's have M48 bolts in them.
It has to go through your FFL (gun shop) unless you have an 03FFL.

Thanks again for your input.

So Czech Vz24 is not a K98 and there's no K98 from Czech. All K98s are German made?

I looked at AIM Surplus Home and saw the Romanian ammo. It's marked as 7.92mm NOT 8mm. Can this Romanian 7.92mm be used in Czech Vz24 and any other variant of K98s, in place of the 8mmx57?

Thank you.

bf109 11-02-2010 01:05 PM

Arsenal refurbished - what does it mean?
 
Quote

Samco Global has 24/47's for about $200.00 and they are arsenal refurbished/ Excellent condition.
https://www.samcoglobal.com/1-M24-47.html
The bent bolt 24/47's have M48 bolts in them.

Unquote

Hi, I forgot to ask what it means when you say " they are arsenal refurbished/excellent condition". Are they still original Yugo 24/47's?

What's the difference betweenn the straight bolt and bent bolt versions? The stock picture of the straight-bolt 24/47 shows the condition of the wood stock is very new. Is it the original wood stock?

When were the Yugo 24/47's manufacturered? Thanks.

jpattersonnh 11-02-2010 04:29 PM

The Vz24 is a VZ 1924 model, The K98k is a Karabiner 1898 Kurtz or short rifle. The Germans took over both Czech arsenals an started building K98's. After the war both arsenals had many K98 parts in various stages of completion, they finished the rifles which have a better fit and finish than mid...end of war German finished rifles.
The 24/47's that Samco has under went a re-arsenal process. New parts, stocks, re-blue....
They are great rifles. The 24/47 was made w/ a strait bolt, The M48 had a bent bolt. The 24/47's with a bent bolt actually have M48 bolts as replacements. The Bent bolt models are not refinished and show wear from use.
7.92 is 8mm. Calibers are not alway called what they are. .30-06 is actually a .308x64, but it falls into a family of cartridges. .30= Caliber, 06 is 1906, the year it was adopted. Metric calibers use bullet width and case length. 7.92x57 and 8x57 are the same.
Have I confused you yet??

I have 2 24/47's. One has the original Serbian acceptance stamp from its' life as an M24, it was brought up to 1947 spec. That is where the model comes from. The other is a 1TRZ. That is a sign it was noted for accuracy.
Here are some pics of the Yugo 24/47's.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...DSCF0001-8.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...DSCF0003-3.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...DSCF0002-8.jpg

c3shooter 11-02-2010 07:02 PM

FWIW, the 8mm Mauser is ACTUALLY a 7.92mm, but no one wants to call it seven point nine two- so 8mm it is.

jpattersonnh 11-02-2010 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c3shooter (Post 379178)
FWIW, the 8mm Mauser is ACTUALLY a 7.92mm, but no one wants to call it seven point nine two- so 8mm it is.

What we have here is a failure to communicate! :rolleyes:

So an 8mm Mauser uses 7.92 bullet, which is .312 at the lands as the bullet is .323". The actual measurement is the lands. We in the U.S. measure the grooves. Metric uses the lands. .311...312 is the Soviet 7.62. Not close by our standards.


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