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Old 12-14-2013, 03:58 AM   #51
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The loading data for the Ruger #1 and #3 puts the 405 grain at 2000+ fps which is not safe in the Marlins and about 200 fps below a 458 Winchester Magnum. The modern rifle loads will take the 405 to 1850 fps max if you want to push it.
Are you saying that it would not be safe for me to shoot the 405grn rounds in my new 45-70? I did a little looking around online and found this on Midway's site:
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Old 12-14-2013, 04:04 AM   #52
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Are you saying that it would not be safe for me to shoot the 405grn rounds in my new 45-70? I did a little looking around online and found this on Midway's site:
New production marlin 1895 are typically considered safe for any book load marlins made before the mid seventies are considered suitable for low powered loads only. That's where the confusion comes in.

A 405 out of a gbl is NOT pleaseant and I like shooting 458winmag. The torque on a lightweight gbl almosts twists it out of your hands even with a white knuckle death grip.
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The loading data for the Ruger #1 and #3 puts the 405 grain at 2000+ fps which is not safe in the Marlins and about 200 fps below a 458 Winchester Magnum. The modern rifle loads will take the 405 to 1850 fps max if you want to push it.
Can you cite some data for that? Or at least give us the manual you are referring to? I know the Ruger #1 and #3 are more robust guns, but there are thousands of loads out there for 405 gr bullets that are quite suitable for the Marlins- though maybe not shooting them at 2000 fps.
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The 45/70 is one of the most tested gun/calibers of its kind. The Union army would lob them over in volleys at the confederate armies camps in the civil war over a mile away.
I wonder how they managed that, given that the .45-70 cartridge was not designed until 1873, eight years after the American Civil War ended?

EDIT: Sorry! I see others have already brought this point up.
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