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Gergify 03-15-2009 05:59 PM

M14 or M1 Garand
 
So I've been offered a Springfield armory M1 Garand for $600. The wood is in Excellent to near perfect condition, and the metal has little wear (90-95%). It has apparently been re-barreled, and fires fine.It is from around 1947 (according to the serial number) and was never issued nor seen combat.

I have also been offered a M14 (M1a). I know no details so far, other than it fires and comes with extra magazines. I will be looking at it this week. He wants $800 for it.

My question is, which seems like a better buy? My heart is torn. What do you guys think would be the smarter purchase?

jeepcreep927 03-15-2009 07:24 PM

Is the Garand still 30-06 caliber after the rebarrel? What make is the M14? Those two things would influence my decisions in a big way.

Gergify 03-15-2009 07:31 PM

I believe it's a .308. As far as the model for the M1a, I do not know. I'll find out sometime this week. What models would make it an excellent deal?

jeepcreep927 03-15-2009 07:53 PM

If the M1a is a Springfield I would buy it before someone else gets the deal, no matter what model designation it is! If it's a Norinco or import I would go with the Garand.

Might want to try to catch up with matt g or fragout as they have a lot of M14/ M1a knowledge (I just wonder what will happen if the world's supply of M1a's dries up before matt finally commits?)

I've shot both a fair amount and prefer the M14/ M1a, nostalga aside.

mrm14 03-15-2009 08:25 PM

Both M1A's and M1 Garrands are good rifles. So it will come down which caliber you want. I personally like both calibers (.308 Win. & .30-06) and the decision would be hard for me. New Springfield M1A's go for about $1800.00 or more. The new Springfield M1 Garrands go around the same or a bit more. Fulton Armory and Smith Enterprise M1A's are even more due to the fact that I believe they use forged recievers instead of SAI's (Springfield Armory Incorporated) investment cast recievers and are more of a "Custom build" rifle. Also Mccann Industries makes a M1 Garrand in .458 Winchester and .338 Winchester versions. I believe these are intended for hunting guide rifles. Both M1A and M1 Garrand have the same "garrand type action" and are very robust. If you could swing it, and they both shoot and are in GOOD condition I'd snag both of them for those prices.

Gergify 03-15-2009 08:26 PM

I've heard to watch out for 'clones'. I'll check for Springfield trade marks when I get it.

mrm14 03-15-2009 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gergify (Post 82631)
I've heard to watch out for 'clones'. I'll check for Springfield trade marks when I get it.

I've never head of "Clones" in these rifles, but in these days and times that is a good idea to check them out. Maby check the serial numbers as well. Matt g will probably have more info on this.

fragout 03-15-2009 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gergify (Post 82582)
So I've been offered a Springfield armory M1 Garand for $600. The wood is in Excellent to near perfect condition, and the metal has little wear (90-95%). It has apparently been re-barreled, and fires fine.It is from around 1947 (according to the serial number) and was never issued nor seen combat.

I have also been offered a M14 (M1a). I know no details so far, other than it fires and comes with extra magazines. I will be looking at it this week. He wants $800 for it.

My question is, which seems like a better buy? My heart is torn. What do you guys think would be the smarter purchase?

Here is a few things to look for when it comes to this M14 you found......

Look on the receiver heel, and see what it says. Springfield Armory, or something else? ( All Sprinfield Armory M1A's that I have ever seen or heard of have markings on the reciever heel. If it doesn't have any markings on the receiver heel, look to the side of the receiver below the rear sight, and behind the bolt catch. ( Polytechs and Norincos have markings located there somtimes.
( BTW.... if it happens to say LRB ARMS on the heel, then buy the M1Garand, and send me the contact info for the M14 right away....... just kidding. :) )
If you cant find any markings on the reciever then look at the barrel. Some Norinco's dont have any receiver markings above the stock line, but usually are marked on the bbl. You might find CENTURY ARMS markings on the bbl as they imported them from China a while back. The rifle is most likely a Norinco in this case.

MAGAZINES : 20rd? If so, look for markings on the back of the mag near the bottom by the floor plate. You will be looking for a series of letters such as.... OM ,or CMI ,or W , etc.... This will "most likely" indicate that the mags are USGI mags if they have these markings. I would have to look at them close up to see if they are fakes or not.

These are a few things you can look for to determine what you have in front of you without taking the rifle apart.

Things you might not know........
Springfield Armory rifles have a lifetime warranty and they will honor it regardless of if the rifle is new, or used. The chicom rifles dont have any warranty that I'm aware of. IE.... you get what you paid for it and thats it.

Hope this helps some. Feel free to PM me, and I will help you as best as I can.Good luck with your decision sir. Let us all know what you decide on.;)

M14sRock 03-15-2009 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mrm14 (Post 82630)
Both M1A's and M1 Garrands are good rifles. So it will come down which caliber you want. I personally like both calibers (.308 Win. & .30-06) and the decision would be hard for me. New Springfield M1A's go for about $1800.00 or more. The new Springfield M1 Garrands go around the same or a bit more. Fulton Armory and Smith Enterprise M1A's are even more due to the fact that I believe they use forged recievers instead of SAI's (Springfield Armory Incorporated) investment cast recievers and are more of a "Custom build" rifle. Also Mccann Industries makes a M1 Garrand in .458 Winchester and .338 Winchester versions. I believe these are intended for hunting guide rifles. Both M1A and M1 Garrand have the same "garrand type action" and are very robust. If you could swing it, and they both shoot and are in GOOD condition I'd snag both of them for those prices.

Fulton uses cast Springfield Armory Inc receivers, and Smith Ent is currently using LRB forged receivers (but they are tooling uo to reintroduce their own forged receivers, again. Nice!). And the current SAI Garands are cast receivers, while the USGI are all forged. At the prices quoted for these 2 rifles in the orig post, I'd buy both if they are as described.

Re; M14 clones, most are quite good. The Chinese guns get very high marks from Ron Smith (may need to change out the bolt, though), all the Springfield Armory M1A's have a lifetime guarantee no matter if orig owner or not, the Armscorp rifles are excellent, the Fed Ord rifles came in 2 configurations (USGI parts, or Chinese parts) and are fine either way. I'd have an Enterprise checked out by an M14 Armorer before buying. Some were awesome, and some way out of spec. And LRB is as good it gets.

One thing to keep in mind if you go with the Garand is that .30-06 surplus is drying up, and Garands in 06 are not intended for commercial ammo, which means you will be reloading M2 spec yourself, or converting to .308. When the CMP is out of Greek HXP 06 (already out of LC!) it will be awhile before cheap 06 surfaces again, if ever.

If you can post some pics and some specs of each, it will help figure out which is the best deal. Both are robust, accurate, durable rifles that will serve you well.

SlamFire 03-15-2009 09:22 PM

There are reproductions of the M1 Garand. Big Five was selling them maybe 10 yrs ago. I can't remember who was making them, but it seems like "Springfield Armory" -- Which is NOT the "Springfield Armory" that was making the rifles in 1947.

They're reproductions of the M1 Garand, not an M1 Garand. I expect all the parts are interchangable, but I'm not sure.

I'd be curious about the barrel change. If it's a "new gun" why change the barrel?

M-14 is nice, at $800 it seems like a deal. But I'd want to see it first. I think Springfield Armory -- NOT the govt. Springfield Armory, but the factory which bought out the name -- is making M-14's. You need to know the difference, and be able to tell one from the other.

$800 sounds low for a genuine Govt. Issue M-14. $600 sounds low for a genuine Govt. Issue Garand.

I found a 1943 GI issue Springfield Garand for $600, but that was probably 10 yrs ago.

There are private party sales out there willing to take advantage of the naive and unschooled. There are private sellers out there who don't know what they own.


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