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Old 08-24-2017, 12:32 AM   #41
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The Thompson SMG was made for .45 ACP. HOWEVER, it was also made in ANOTHER .45- the .45 Remington Thompson. It was a longer cartridge made to be fired ONLY in the SMG. I have one round in my collection. It is shown in Chas. Suydam's US Cartridges and Their Handguns.

It was rated at 1050 ft lbs of muzzle energy. It used a different mag, and was only made for a couple of years. The round was not a military issue round. Penetration was 5 inches of pine at 500 yards.

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Why'd they do away with it C3?
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The Thompson SMG was made for .45 ACP. HOWEVER, it was also made in ANOTHER .45- the .45 Remington Thompson. It was a longer cartridge made to be fired ONLY in the SMG. I have one round in my collection. It is shown in Chas. Suydam's US Cartridges and Their Handguns.

It was rated at 1050 ft lbs of muzzle energy. It used a different mag, and was only made for a couple of years. The round was not a military issue round. Penetration was 5 inches of pine at 500 yards.

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Left to right- 45 ACP ball, 45 ACP metal piercing, blank, .45 Remington-Thompson.
a very obscure and also an experimental cartridge. very interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_Remington%E2%80%93Thompson
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Why did it fall by the wayside? Probably same reason that the .35 S&W Auto, the .307 Marlin, the 9mm Ultra and the 22 ILARCO became orphans.

No other gun used it, not many people want to shoot 500 yards with a SMG that has a trajectory like a garden hose. And a gun chambered for that could not shoot anything else.

The landscape of cartridge manufacturing is littered with cartridges that someone thought would be a good idea, but the market disagreed about that. Get a copy of "Cartridges of the World", and marvel at all the stuff you have never heard of that was made in the past 50 years.

I have a modest cartridge collection that includes weird crap. .33 WCF. 14 g shotshells .25 Rimfire Electric primed shotshells. Plastic cased .38 Specials.
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Why did it fall by the wayside? Probably same reason that the .35 S&W Auto, the .307 Marlin, the 9mm Ultra and the 22 ILARCO became orphans.

No other gun used it, not many people want to shoot 500 yards with a SMG that has a trajectory like a garden hose. And a gun chambered for that could not shoot anything else.

The landscape of cartridge manufacturing is littered with cartridges that someone thought would be a good idea, but the market disagreed about that. Get a copy of "Cartridges of the World", and marvel at all the stuff you have never heard of that was made in the past 50 years.

I have a modest cartridge collection that includes weird crap. .33 WCF. 14 g shotshells .25 Rimfire Electric primed shotshells. Plastic cased .38 Specials.
what Mr. C3shooter says is correct. many times what looks good on paper never happens in real life. and as there are more cartridges on the market, coming up with something new that doesn't offer what is already available is very difficult.

sometimes, it may be a great cartridge, but offered at the wrong time. the market can be finicky at times.
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The 45 Remington–Thompson was an experimental firearms cartridge designed by Remington Arms and Auto Ordnance for the Model 1923 Thompson submachine gun, a variant of the Model 1921 with a longer barrel, with the intent of increasing the power and range of the weapon. While some variants of the 1923 were produced, the rifle and round did not find commercial success.
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Other than the personal satisfaction of the build I can think of little use for ruining a GI Carbine to make something that will offer little more short range performance than the original product. There are already short handy semi automatics available in powerful pistol cartridges that have not set the world on fire with their popularity. I guess I am such an affectionado of the real article my mind simply rejects ideas on morphing it.
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