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Old 11-04-2012, 04:36 PM   #21
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Please confine anything over 300 yards to the range, regardless of calibre.

Two of the men I hunt with hold NRA"Distinguished Master" ratings in high power rifle. Neither will shoot at a game animal past 300 yards. Nor will I.

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Please confine anything over 300 yards to the range, regardless of calibre.

Two of the men I hunt with hold NRA"Distinguished Master" ratings in high power rifle. Neither will shoot at a game animal past 300 yards. Nor will I.
WHY? Just curious. I know Elk hunters (I am not one) that shoot much farther.

To the oridginal post...what's wrong with a tactical rifle?
I have an Armalite AR 10 in .308 that sounds like it fits your needs perfectly.
I purchased mine for hunting hogs.

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Really you want to mount 2 scopes on one hunting rifle? Then you want it to shoot 1k+ but not be too heavy or to tactical.

OMG this is a doozy.

1. a long range rifle has a LONG heavy barrel with a stock that is low wide and heavy as well unless you want to shot in the light gun category then you are limited to 16# i believe.

You then want to pack this rifle out in to the wood to shoot game at long ranges but you want to put a scope on the side of the rifle just in case a deer sneaks up on you.

2. Hunting rifles are made to fire 1 or 2 shots at most at one time (meaning close together) accuracy for a hunting rifle is totally different that shooting at 1k for accuracy.

3. Then you want to have a semiauto but not a tactical. I shoot F-class every spring and summer. Never once have I seen a semiauto on the firing line. Nor have I ever seen a hunting rifle on the line either.

4. Optics are totally different for the two. I use Nightforce 5.5-22x56mm NSX scopes on my F-Class rifles. I use a March on my bench gun. My hunting rifles also use Nightforce NSX scopes.

You are going to end up with either A an ar with a bunch of mall ninja crap on it or B a heavy barreled long range right with a heavy barrel and a cart to pack it into the woods and carry it and your deer that you just blasted a Maryland sized hole in because so many on here don't understand that you don't need a MAGNUM to shoot over 500 yards.

Just get a Ruger m77MkII VT in 308 and call it a day or get a Remington 700P 5r and call it an even better day. Put a 5.5-22x56mm nightforce and you can hit just about anything from 1000 yards to 50 yards.

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WHY? Just curious. I know Elk hunters (I am not one) that shoot much farther.
It's because they actually shot the elk 40 yards away. Each time they tell the story of the hunt they add 10 yards. In a couple years they will be saying they shot the elk 750 yards away. I have shot deer around 300 yards away. I am not even telling the story and it comes back to me he shot the deer 800 yards away. That old browning is unbelievable!
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WHY? Just curious. I know Elk hunters (I am not one) that shoot much farther.
I guess it's a matter of personal values. I want a clean, humane kill.

As one of my friends says: "I like to do my hunting before I do my shooting, not after."

In my system of values and sportsmanship, 300 yards is the limit for living animals no matter how much marksmanship skill you have and what rifle you're shooting.

There is also a belief among many of us older hunters that if you can't get within 300 yards of your quarry, you need to become a better hunter, not buy a bigger rifle.

Remember, 300 yards is three football fields. If you can't get that close, you have a problem. I shoot antelope on the open prairie, and I seldom shoot over 100 yards.

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One: .338 can tack out to 2k plus. Two: they make a .338 ar10 called the bad news irene. Three: .308 can reach out to 1500 yds+
One: Excuse me for not being dead on. Two: Had no idea as I said not that I have seen. Three: I was talking bout effective range. But there always has to be someone to correct someone else instead of just adding their input.
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One: Excuse me for not being dead on. Two: Had no idea as I said not that I have seen. Three: I was talking bout effective range. But there always has to be someone to correct someone else instead of just adding their input.
1500 is a hell of a stretch for .308. At that range with a 200 yard zero it drops like a hundred + feet.
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1500 is a hell of a stretch for .308. At that range with a 200 yard zero it drops like a hundred + feet.
? Theres been thousands of kills made with a .308 at 1200-1500 yards. We currently use .300 winmag and thatll pluck you off up to 2k
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? Theres been thousands of kills made with a .308 at 1200-1500 yards. We currently use .300 winmag and thatll pluck you off up to 2k
Yes but it's not really optimal. At those ranges the energy of the bullet from a .308 is down to around 500FP, the bullet drop is in excess of 200 inches and wind drift in even moderate winds is measured in feet.

There's a reason police and military snipers switched from .308 to .300mag, .338 Lapua and .50 BMG.
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Yes but it's not really optimal. At those ranges the energy of the bullet from a .308 is down to around 500FP, the bullet drop is in excess of 200 inches and wind drift in even moderate winds is measured in feet.

There's a reason police and military snipers switched from .308 to .300mag, .338 Lapua and .50 BMG.
Who uses 50 bmg? We're only allowed to fire upon vehicles with it.
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