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Old 09-08-2010, 02:31 AM   #11
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Trying not to sound snooty here...An SKS is not a battle rifle. I consider a battle rifle to be a self loading FULL POWER rifle. 7.62 X 51 or larger to qualify.
Technically, you are right.

A main battle rifle is chambered in a full power cartridge.

An assault rifle is has a pistol grip stock, is select fire, fires an INTERMEDIATE cartridge (7.92x33, 7.62x39, 5.65x39, 5.56x45), has a detachable magazine, and is designed around combat at less than 300 yards.

The SKS is not strictly in either of these categories. However, its direct predecessors, the AVS-36 and SKS-41, were most definitely MBRs as they were chambered in 7.62x54r. Because the SKS was just a rechamber of the the SKS-41, I do tend to classify it closer to MBR status than assault rifle.

I do not believe the target would know the difference between a 7.62x54r and 7.62x39 inside 200 yards.

This is why I ask the purpose behind the rifle. If it's just for plinking or defense, go with the 7.62x39. If it's for any other reason, ie long range shooting ( >300yds), nostalgia, etc, then definitely go with the FAL or HK.

Better yet, the long range stuff would be best served with a heavy barreled M700 Remmy or M70 Winny in .308 or .30-'06... maybe even .25-'06 if logistics are not a bit concern.

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Technically, you are right.

A main battle rifle is chambered in a full power cartridge.

An assault rifle is has a pistol grip stock, is select fire, fires an INTERMEDIATE cartridge (7.92x33, 7.62x39, 5.65x39, 5.56x45), has a detachable magazine, and is designed around combat at less than 300 yards.

The SKS is not strictly in either of these categories. However, its direct predecessors, the AVS-36 and SKS-41, were most definitely MBRs as they were chambered in 7.62x54r. Because the SKS was just a rechamber of the the SKS-41, I do tend to classify it closer to MBR status than assault rifle.

I do not believe the target would know the difference between a 7.62x54r and 7.62x39 inside 200 yards.

This is why I ask the purpose behind the rifle. If it's just for plinking or defense, go with the 7.62x39. If it's for any other reason, ie long range shooting ( >300yds), nostalgia, etc, then definitely go with the FAL or HK.

Better yet, the long range stuff would be best served with a heavy barreled M700 Remmy or M70 Winny in .308 or .30-'06... maybe even .25-'06 if logistics are not a bit concern.

Josh
I disagree. Using that mentality. The AR15 is an MBR because it is a "rechambered" AR-10. The AVS-36 Simonov used a longer receiver and a different locking mechanism. I find no reference to an SKS-41. I find a PTRS-41 Anti tank rifle designed by Simonov.
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I disagree. Using that mentality. The AR15 is an MBR because it is a "rechambered" AR-10. The AVS-36 Simonov used a longer receiver and a different locking mechanism. I find no reference to an SKS-41. I find a PTRS-41 Anti tank rifle designed by Simonov.

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The SKS41 was never put into production due to the out break of war on 22 June 1941. The perfected prototype was due to undergo trials in July 1941, but because of the war the Simonov design group was directed to concentrate on the production engineering for the PTRS 14.5mm anti-tank rifle which was given the highest priority in view of the rampaging Panzers rapidly over running the Soviet Army. The carbine was in 7.62X54R and looks very similar to the SKS45 with the exception of an unusual flash supressor or compensator. The receiver, the bolt carrier and cover with the takedown lever, rear sight, and stock appear much the same but the handguard extends almost to the front sight, covering, I suppose the gas tube. The magazine is of the same hinged type developed because Stalin thought the removable magazines were prone to loss and damage. I have a picture of this carbine on file, given to me by Dan Reynolds along with this information, but it is copyrighted so I cannot put it on the site.



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I'm working on finding you a picture. It was a prototype.


How would YOU classify the SKS? A transitional arm?


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I suppose the SKS could be classified as an intermediate carbine, similar in concept to an M-1 carbine (albeit in a superior caliber). It does not fit the bill for an Assault Rifle (no detechable mag as designed, no select fire option). It does not fit the MBR label as it is chambered in an intermediate caliber.

I would not even call an M-2 Carbine an assault rifle as the caliber is less of a rifle caliber and more of a sooped up handgun cartridge.

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OK, well, we'll just do it here, then.

Hi Survivalistandguns, Welcome to FTF.

What is your intended purpose for this

"battle rifle"?

Because while they're fine in their own right,

they can be a little cumbersome, miserable, and downright

relatively inaccurate.

Is it for a BOB? SHTF? Plinking? Range use? Hunting?

The HK91 costs a lot of money for a reason.

If it wasn't worth it, the company that makes it

would be out of business. If somebody made the

same gun cheaper, don't you think we'd all be buying

it, instead of the KH91?

What kind of range time do you have in what calibers?

Do you shoot a MOA? Did you have a specific caliber in

mind? Why do you like it?

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If I remember right, HK 91s are out of production, with HK using I think G3 as its replacement in the lineup. I've shot the 91, G3, FAL and M14(or M1A variant) alot, and like them all. The roller lock in the HK makes shooting a lot of 308 fast, pleasant with the FAL not far behind. The M14 (or M1A) is still my sentimental Favorite and overall cost is a plus.

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Well, I must say your silence is very reassuring, OP.

Try J&G sales, they have cheap G3 types.

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Well, I must say your silence is very reassuring, OP.

Try J&G sales, they have cheap G3 types.


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