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Old 01-15-2011, 03:47 AM   #31
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That's what are military is going to remington 700 .300 WinMag. Good to 1200 yards (some say 1500 yards) 190gr. SMK
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Because not only have I seen the new Remington (MSR) Military Offering ( which is DEFINITELY NOT a 700 action), I reported about it well over a year and a half ago and witnessed a shooting exhibition of it. The .300 Win Mag option was merely an addition. The weapon platform was designed for .308 and .338 Lapua, with your basic field operator being able to switch barrels per application much like an AR ( with a relief shoulder cut and a wrench - so need need to worry about headspace ).

No one is taking a .300 Win mag to the sandbox I am afraid.

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WOW from drive by poster to all out long range war. Good lord.

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Old 01-15-2011, 09:22 PM   #33
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see.....the original poster was just over whelmed by t.m.f.d.too much f***ing data.he is beginner ...like stated in my post .dragunov ...be it soviet or iron curtain/soviet bloc ...knock off .best for a beginner to ...in my post have fun.. thats what it all about .2 -3 moa is good ..shooting minute of man/enemy...dragunov will maintain 2moa out til it hits the ground ..the dude just wants to see holes /stuff pop /fall over at 600 yrds ....the serious poindexter /papernerd stuff can come later .... there are whole lot of dead serbians,czechs,georgians,afghans,irish ,russians ,chinese,croations, vietnamese,some americans that were in a bad spot when the tiger growled ... from just a few feet out to 1000yrds or meters ...what ever you decide #1 have fun

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Great round. Punishing to shoot unless you have a heavier stick and a nice recoil pad.

Will definitely reach 1,000 without any problems, but it will also definitely get the attention of the shooter's lined up next to you in the worst way.
Any of those large caliber magnum rounds are going to be about the same. They will do the job, if you want to sit behind the stick.

When I had my 7mm built, I spec'd it heavy for a reason. Recoil is nice and smooth and I don't feel like I took a right from a heavyweight.

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very true never thought of that, good info DILLINGER
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dragunov will maintain 2moa out til it hits the ground ..the dude just wants to see holes /stuff pop /fall over at 600 yrds ....
I'll agree with too much information, and I totally agree that whatever he decides he should enjoy it.

Where I have a problem is when anyone starts talking about Minute of Angle rifles' accuracy and brings the Dragunov ( Soviet, Chinese, or Martian Built ) into the conversation.

No, it will NOT hold 2 MOA "til it hits the ground" and it sure as hell isn't going to be hitting anywhere NEAR 2MOA at 600 yards because that is going to be a MOON SHOT for that rifle.

Fact 1: NO semi auto will be as good as an equally built boltgun.

Fact 2: NO basic boltgun is going to compete with a custom Benchrest Rifle for long distance shooting.

You need to tailor both the round and the rifle to the shooter and what s/he can REALISTICALLY expect to accomplish with said package.

You could hand him a custom built Chey Tac with all the software data they developed for it and give him 100 rounds. That doesn't mean it's the right gun for him OR that he is going to shoot Minute of Angle at 1,000 yards, let alone the 2300 yards the weapon is capable of.

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PS - 6.5 x 284mm, if you are willing to reload and work up a round, is an EXCELLENT choice for longer range shooting. It is WIDELY used in PNW 1,000 yard competitions where we get both wind and rain.
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You want to shoot 600 to 1000 yds. The .308 Win. has been doing that for a long time. Some are playing with 18 inch and 20 inch barrels and getting consistant hits at 900 yds. The .308 has Excellant barrel life...good accuracy...ez to reload ... and a ton of load data....Some say 800 yds is more realistic....But 1000 can be done, especally with hand loads....30 inch barrel ..26 inch 24 inch.. thats up to you ? First brake in the barrel.....keep all the brass as it is fire formed to your chamber.....get a good bore guide , and a good cleaning kit! .......Ammo that has worked for me.....Hornady 155gr. A-max for 400 yds......hornady 168gr. A-max for 600 to 800 yds......Federal Gold Medal Match 175gr. for 1000 yds.....and yes Hornady Superformance 178gr. for 1200 yds.....Honady report's 8 inch groups at 1200 yds......the ammo is $21.70 for Hor. and $32.00 for Fed. Rifle's to look at ...Howa .......Remington 700...... Savage....FN.....hope this helps you out.......It can be done!

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The .308 has been proven time and again that it can be shot to 1,000 yards.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN it's a 1,000 yard round. It's not even in the top 50 cartridges to choose from for a true 1,000 yard performer.

A Dodge Charger can probably go 120 miles per hour too, but that doesn't mean it's a Ferrari.

Look. Let's end this stupid belief that the .308 is a great 1,000 yard round once and for all. It's really pretty easy.

http://www.ultimatesniper.com/Docs/38.PDF

See this chart? It's pretty self explanatory.

Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr. BTHP ( one of the most accurate factory loads you can get off the shelf) is represented.

With a 100 yard zero, which is normal for urban environments, leaves you with FOUR HUNDRED & FIFTY SIX INCHES of drop at 1,000 yards!!!

That's 38 FEET for you who are just wondering.

That translates to almost 46 clicks of ELEVATION on your scope just to be able to stay on zero, let alone all the other factors that you have to take into account.

Seriously. No one is shooting the .308 at 1,000 yards in any type of competitive event that wasn't set up for that specific criteria. It's not in the top 10, not in the top 20 and not even in the top 50 calibers that are chosen for 1,000 yard shooters.

Just because it CAN get there, doesn't mean it's the best choice for the application. It should not even be in consideration at this point of the discussion.

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I am trying to help him, he only has $1500 to $2000...i didnot say the .308 is top dog at 1000 yds..... the 408 Chey-tec.. H-yea, world record holder longest group,.. but he cant afford that....he could go with... 6xc....260....6.5-284....6.5 creedmoore...6.5 grendel with the right bullet.....300 HULK .World record holder 1000 yds... I can tell you have done your homework..... im trying to help him ..........$1500 to $2000.....plus a scope $1000 / $ 3000 does he know that ???

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That post was not directed at you specifically, but at the conscensus in general that thinks the .308 is the magical do all cartridge. That was more of a blanket statement for the masses and for not making that clear, I apologize.

With that kind of money he can get a Weatherby Vanguard model, some are MOA guaranteed, some are not, but you can get a range of calibers from .223 to .338 and will definitely give room for optics and ammo on a budget, but still be able to get the job done.

Everyone wants a 1/4 MOA 800 yard stick in the safe, but not everyone can afford what it takes to get there. Choosing the best platform, and that includes caliber, will help achieve an end result without spending $5000.

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Hey............redmist..................why....... ......... don't....................you................put... .................a......................few....... .......more..................periods.............. ........in...................your................. .next.................post........................ .............................................

Just saying.......

30-06 would make a better 1k round than the 308.

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