Long range set up for beginner - Page 2
Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Long Guns > General Rifle Discussion > Long range set up for beginner

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-14-2011, 11:07 PM   #11
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Squirrel_Slayer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Rocklin,California
Posts: 1,135
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts

Default

I have seen real Dragunovs at the range, and spoke with the guys shooting them, and they admitted they only shoot 2 MOA at 100 yards, at best. I shoot steel plates at 600 meters with my .223 AR, and that's just about as far out as I want to get really. At least for right now. It's a moon shot no doubt. And I wwon't eeven go out to that range when it's windy. There are so many variables at that range, it takes years of experience to master.

Start off with a .223 at 100 yards and hone your skills there for a while. Then work your way out to the longer distances.

__________________
Squirrel_Slayer is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2011, 11:34 PM   #12
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: caldwell,ohio
Posts: 39
Default

Rem 700 .308 VSF 26'' 168gr. Hornady A-Max 800 yards. Rem. mil-spec. .308 24'' 1000 yards . Fed Gold Medal Match GM308M2 175 gr....Hornady.308 Superformance 178 gr. Hits 10 inch's higher or more, not done testing ??

__________________

Last edited by redmist; 01-14-2011 at 11:38 PM.
redmist is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2011, 12:01 AM   #13
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: caldwell,ohio
Posts: 39
Default

I find it EZ Shooting 600 yards.. A 178gr. Projectile going 2775 MV. is on target in like .4 sec......At 100 yards a 10 mph wind (full value) moves projectile .7 inch

__________________
redmist is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2011, 12:08 AM   #14
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: caldwell,ohio
Posts: 39
Default

My boy (13) shoots 600 yards. Take your time you can do it !! Go remington 700 In .308

__________________
redmist is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2011, 12:12 AM   #15
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
jpattersonnh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: South central,NH
Posts: 5,013
Liked 718 Times on 495 Posts
Likes Given: 743

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IXLR8 View Post
a Dragunov? Seriously?

If you can find a real one, it would cost way more than you want to spend, and the knockoffs will only shoot 2 to 3 MOA. You would be better off with 700, or another precision sporting rifle.

When you can hit the target at 300 yards, I will be impressed. If you can hit paper at 500 yards, you will have surpassed everyone but dedicated snipers, and long range competitors. There is huge difference between a rifle being able to shoot 500 yards, and someone actually being able to hit anything.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but unreal expectations will lead to frustration and wasted time and money. Find a ballistic table and see what the bullet drop is at 500 yards for any of the rounds you previously mentioned. I think you will be shocked.

Remingtons ballistic calculator

Remingtons best .308 round has about 50 inches of drop at 500 yards.
I use a ballistics calculator. Tell you what, you can shoot your Remichester and I'll shoot my M41b or PU 91/30 w/ a 4x scope at 100 to 600 yards with 5 shots at each distance at a 14" plate, and 10 seconds between transition of yardage. Bet I spank you really good!! I'll even use surplus ammo and 100++ year old technology!

Redmist, you had better check Your data. A 178gr for a .308 going 2775fps???? Never heard of a 178gr.

Quote"I find it EZ Shooting 600 yards.. A 178gr. Projectile going 2775 MV. is on target in like .4 sec......At 100 yards a 10 mph wind (full value) moves projectile .7 inch" This is "LIKE" wrong.

Quote"Rem 700 .308 VSF 26'' 168gr. Hornady A-Max 800 yards. Rem. mil-spec. .308 24'' 1000 yards . Fed Gold Medal Match GM308M2 175 gr....Hornady.308 Superformance 178 gr. Hits 10 inch's higher or more, not done testing ??"
What is this jibberish???
__________________

Freedom is not free. The best of us always leave too soon.


Last edited by jpattersonnh; 01-15-2011 at 12:15 AM.
jpattersonnh is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2011, 12:28 AM   #16
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: caldwell,ohio
Posts: 39
Default

OK, Hornady 308 178gr. BTHP MATCH SUPERFORMANCE.. Order # 8077 LOT# 3100508 100 yds +1.8 200 yds 0.0 300 yds -7.7 400 yds -22.0 500 yds -44.1...........look it up thank's

__________________
redmist is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2011, 12:40 AM   #17
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
jpattersonnh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: South central,NH
Posts: 5,013
Liked 718 Times on 495 Posts
Likes Given: 743

Default

I stand corrected. They are using Hodgdons new powders. But, Do you think all rifles will shoot them well?? I'd rather hand load a 165gr at 2700 fps and hit my target at 400 yards to put meat on the table then pay $1.50 to $2.00 a round for target ammo. I use Prvi Partisan 165gr SP to target shoot. Targets and real world shooting have nothing in common. You can bolt your rifle to a table, I'll continue shooting off hand. There is a thread about "Equipment or Shooter".

A great read!!
http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f18/shooting-ability-equipment-36028/

__________________

Freedom is not free. The best of us always leave too soon.

jpattersonnh is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2011, 12:57 AM   #18
Supporting Member
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Sniper03's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 5,225
Liked 2570 Times on 1256 Posts
Likes Given: 1289

Default

Longrange,

The 6.5X284 has been looking fairly good recently in several of the 1000 yard matches. I have a 6.5 Grendel Light Weight Competition Varmint Model from Sabre Defence that I like real well for long range prairie dog hunting in Texas. And I have been told by some competition shooters it is a good 1000 yard round? I do know at 600 it is a beast! I have shot my share of 7.62 (308) from the 40X Sniper Rifle at 1000. But you really must know your rifle well when shooting the 308. It is not that flat of trajectory at that distance. Of course the wind and mirage is always the biggest factor at that range. Anyway I had some thoughts when reading your post. And getting the bug to maybe looking into building a 7mm Rem Mag Long Range Rifle for curiosity. As far as benching it? If you are going to do any official competition you may want to check out the Class Rules before you make a final decision on Barrel Length since it also effects the weight for a class. I would go no less than a 26" Barrel in a Bolt Gun. Only an opinion. Good Luck!

03

__________________
Sniper03 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2011, 12:59 AM   #19
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: caldwell,ohio
Posts: 39
Default

Thank you sir. I hand load too. Finally got a good load for my .264-LBC-AR .....123gr. Lapua Scenar... AA2520.... Lapua brass.... GMM Primers...... Clocked at 2650 MV 1/2 inch at 100 yds.

__________________
redmist is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2011, 01:05 AM   #20
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
jpattersonnh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: South central,NH
Posts: 5,013
Liked 718 Times on 495 Posts
Likes Given: 743

Default

OK, I ran your Super ammo through the ballistics calculator. It has the 178gr listed. I even added 2ft per second. Here it is at 600 yards.
-86.4" elevation, w/ a 10mph wind(90degree), 26.7". Time to target.... .8 seconds.

Here is a 165gr Prvi sp at 2700fps:

Elevation- 99", windage 34.1" Time to target: .86

Here is a 6.5x55 140gr Nosler at 2700fps..
Elevation: -92" windage: 33". Time to target: .82

I'll still take the 100++ year old technology.

__________________

Freedom is not free. The best of us always leave too soon.

jpattersonnh is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
.270 long range? tuckinauster General Rifle Discussion 15 08-16-2011 10:47 AM
Long range with a .223, how possible? zhuk General Rifle Discussion 21 11-25-2010 12:57 PM
long range training???? huckleberry Training & Safety 3 02-22-2008 05:08 PM
Long Range Training Jon Weiler Training & Safety 1 08-03-2007 01:18 AM