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Old 01-10-2011, 01:29 AM   #1
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Wondering if anyone with long range shooting experience, 600-1000 yards will be able to answer a few questions for me. I am interested in buying a rifle, specifically for the bench that will reach out accurately to 600-1000 yards. I am looking first at what caliber should I be looking at? .223, .243, .308 will all of these be suitable or is 1 preferred over another?

Next I am looking at barrel legnth, should I stick with a 26" bull or will a 24" bull work as well?

I will preface this by stating that I have no bench experience for this type of shooting, so my theory is start at 100 yards and become proficient in that range, then move to 200 and so on.

What I am hoping to do is purchase a nice rifle from the start that I can grow into without having to spend big money at a smith to tweak my purchase. I have set my budget roughly in the $1500 range but will extend it to 2k if need be.

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Old 01-10-2011, 02:37 AM   #2
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I have ZERO experience with LR shooting but I have interest in it and have asked some questions about this before. My best advice to you is to read the opinions posted here before.

You will find that most people here advise a .308 with custom loads, a custom rifle based on one of the big three recievers (Remmy, Howa or Savage you will never get a straight answer because it is so dependent on preference.) and a scope that will definitely set you back at least $1000.

Now if you were to change your range to around 600 meters or less, then the advice changes to something a little more reasonably priced, like an out of the box Savage 12 series, a Remmy 700 or a Howa 1500 with a moderately priced scope.

This is what I have read here and by no means is advice by me. Below is the thread I posted last year. Dillinger, Tango, Cane and many others posted links and a lot of great info there.

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f18/help-me-daydream-about-my-next-project-23060/

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I to am trying to come up with a long range package. I have decided on the 270 WSM due to it's incredible long range ballistics. So far I have narrowed my choice of rifles to a Winchester Model 70 Coyote light (a medium wieght varminter that is gauranteed to shoot sub MOA) or the Browning A-Bolt model 100 Eclipse, another Varmint based rifle chambered in the 270 WSM. I also considered the Savage model 12 VSS but it is no longer chambered in my preferred caliber and I can not currently locate an older one. For a scope, I have decided on the Nikon 4x16x42 Monarch with the BDC reticle and the side adjustable objective. A great scope for the money with an amazing eye relief of 3.7 to 4 inches

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What is your background?

How long have you been shooting?

What ranges and what firearms types are you familiar with?

One can spend all the money they want on a set up but if you don't have the skill set to read the wind dope the wind use marriage to see wind direction and speed all your going to be doing is reinforcing bad habits and wasting ammo.

Your best bet for a beginner long range rig is going to be to forget about the Browning, Winchester is good but Savage has a purpose built long range gun the F-class and the F-T/R. Savage Arms Firearms > All Firearms List

You can get them in 223, 308, and 6.5x284.

As for the scope I would think about going with at least a 6-24x40mm if not a 8-32x40mm check Nikon the monarch 6-24x50mm is a great scope and Bushnell makes an elite 4200 8-32x40mm

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Wondering if anyone with long range shooting experience, 600-1000 yards will be able to answer a few questions for me. I am interested in buying a rifle, specifically for the bench that will reach out accurately to 600-1000 yards. I am looking first at what caliber should I be looking at? .223, .243, .308 will all of these be suitable or is 1 preferred over another?

Seems like back east, the .30 caliber is king. Lots of guys shooting .300 Ackley's, .308 Baer and many other wildcats. The .223 and .308 Win. are not accurate enough at 1k to be competitive in BR. I did not say they won't do it, because we all know they will. The 6.5x.284 is another common caliber, easy to load for and shoot. Known as a barrel burner though, most will quote 900-1200 round competitive life. 6BR is a great round, easy on barrels, less powder cost. 6.5x47 and .284 Win (throated for 175-180 gr. bullets) are both becoming more and more popular. The 7mm bullets have some of the best ballistics until you get into the heavy .30 calibers. If I were new, the 6BR with a 1-8" twist with a ~.104 freebore for heavy bullets is where I'd start.

Next I am looking at barrel legnth, should I stick with a 26" bull or will a 24" bull work as well?

Some guys will use a shorter barrel, 99% are using 28-32" tubes depending upon caliber/weight restrictions etc. If you plan to shoot competitions, figure out where you'll be doing most of your shooting and build the rifle to meet the class requirements.

I will preface this by stating that I have no bench experience for this type of shooting, so my theory is start at 100 yards and become proficient in that range, then move to 200 and so on.

Again, a fast twist 6BR would be great here too.

What I am hoping to do is purchase a nice rifle from the start that I can grow into without having to spend big money at a smith to tweak my purchase. I have set my budget roughly in the $1500 range but will extend it to 2k if need be.

Check the classifieds at Accurateshooter dot com and also Benchrest dot com, there's many good custom rifles to be found at or near your $2000 price range (hopefully that doesn't include your optics budget). Or, as has previously been mentioned, one of the Savage factory Benchrest/F-Class guns would be a good way to get started. I just saw a used one for $750.

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im gonna think out of the box .....again ...sorry guys its genetic.why not go with something non traditional ,ready to go out of the box ,with inexpensive ammo..... that has a proven record ,and as a plus looks mean as hell.. get you a soviet dragunof /tiger sniper rifle have fun ... gain knowledge ....and save money up for precision long range rifle ,optics ,wind meter ,spotting scope ,reloader of your dreams ...just my 2 cents powg pissed off white guy

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im gonna think out of the box .....again ...sorry guys its genetic.why not go with something non traditional ,ready to go out of the box ,with inexpensive ammo..... that has a proven record ,and as a plus looks mean as hell.. get you a soviet dragunof /tiger sniper rifle have fun ... gain knowledge ....and save money up for precision long range rifle ,optics ,wind meter ,spotting scope ,reloader of your dreams ...just my 2 cents powg pissed off white guy
So what did you go and have to do that for?? Great idea. He could also look for an M41b Swede sniper, those run under $2000.00 w/ great optics. Sure it is a 4x Ajack scope, but seriously, I would not want to be within 800 yards of it.
Even a PSL w/ a 4x PSO scope is a dandy 600 yard rig. Under $1000.00 w/ optics. The optics can be ungraded to a 6x or 8x or even a variable scope pretty cheap.
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imo the dragunof's only drawback was its scope /mounts ....(for bench purposes.)...... but for its designated purpose of sniper duty ,in the most inhospitable conditions known to man mountains,desert,ice,tundra,tropical ,urban battlefields.....the scope/mounts and the rifle itself ....for pure ruggedness cant be beat .

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While I agree the Dragunov is a great rifle for what it is intended, and a killer looking rifle to boot, it sounds to me like the OP is looking for more of a bench rest rifle. Plus it appears he is looking for something with a bull barrel. I would recomend one of the rifle from Savage.

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a Dragunov? Seriously?

If you can find a real one, it would cost way more than you want to spend, and the knockoffs will only shoot 2 to 3 MOA. You would be better off with 700, or another precision sporting rifle.

When you can hit the target at 300 yards, I will be impressed. If you can hit paper at 500 yards, you will have surpassed everyone but dedicated snipers, and long range competitors. There is huge difference between a rifle being able to shoot 500 yards, and someone actually being able to hit anything.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but unreal expectations will lead to frustration and wasted time and money. Find a ballistic table and see what the bullet drop is at 500 yards for any of the rounds you previously mentioned. I think you will be shocked.

Remingtons ballistic calculator

Remingtons best .308 round has about 50 inches of drop at 500 yards.

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