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Old 07-31-2011, 11:02 PM   #11
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The DPMS Panther LR-308 is not without it's problems and I misstated above, linking the DPMS and AR-10 nomenclature together. The AR-10 is Armalite, LR-308 is DPMS. Brownell's now has 16-18.5" barrels for those building a DPMS LR .308 AR BARRELS - Brownells.

I have read they come from Fulton Armory and are made from Kreiger Criterian blanks, so things are getting better with respect to someone building a highly accurate LR-308.

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Found you an AR platform in .338 Lapua, but again it is $5000, all decked out it approaches $9000 Bad News .338 Lapua Semi-Auto from Only Long Range.

Now, I want one!!

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sounds promising. but if its not worth the price or quality im fine as hell moving away from the AR platform. if i have to get something by some foreign company it makes no difference to me.

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Found you an AR platform in .338 Lapua, but again it is $5000, all decked out it approaches $9000 Bad News .338 Lapua Semi-Auto from Only Long Range.

Now, I want one!!
hahah a 9k lapua?! hahaha holy christ theres no way in dantes hell. again why dont people get a .50 or a .416. hell my buddies savin 9k for a .50 that comes with a night vision, not night time, night vision scope for 7.8k.
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...a dragon, really? i just thought they were oversized AK's. able to do maybe 700 at best since the AK's only good for 200.

M1A's not bad. expensive as all balls, but good. but ive heard more problems about them too. you have to have near perfect ammo or the gun will screw the hell up. the firing pin/mechanism likes to throw sh*t fits. harder than it needs to be to field strip, etc.
The Dragunov is no oversized AK, The PSL is closer to that.
The 7.62x54r is a potent round. Here is an example using a 150gr Speer at 2797FPS MV (+-15fps) At 1000 yards it has a velosity of 1113.5, 3fps below mach1. Now w/ a boat tail bullet, it would retain more velosity. It carry's about 440fpe, over 6 times the muzzle energy a 38gr .22lr has. 7.62x54r is more potent then 7.62x51. It comes from the era of .303, .30-06, 8x57, all sniper rounds.
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This one is pure, 100% Romanian, no U.S. parts. a 1977 rifle. It is excluded from U.S. compliance BS. $950.00 it could be yours! Every part matches.

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That's the main reason I recommended something like the Dragunov. The round has been in production since 1891, and is very potent like you said. Heck, I use my PU scoped Mosin Nagant M91/30 for hunting, and target shooting. I think it says something for the round to be in production that long and to still be in use especially by the Spetnaz.

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The Dragunov is no oversized AK, The PSL is closer to that.
The 7.62x54r is a potent round. Here is an example using a 150gr Speer at 2797FPS MV (+-15fps) At 1000 yards it has a velosity of 1113.5, 3fps below mach1. Now w/ a boat tail bullet, it would retain more velosity. It carry's about 440fpe, over 6 times the muzzle energy a 38gr .22lr has. 7.62x54r is more potent then 7.62x51. It comes from the era of .303, .30-06, 8x57, all sniper rounds.
so the 54r, whats the american equilivant of that, or is there one? and hell my fav weapon is the AK so i have no problem buying the papa that follows the son. its just i know after 200 yds the AK becomes a guessing game. it can be done but i wouldnt want to rely on it. at 1000 i want to be able to hit at least a standing target in the chest if im aiming for a nipple, know what i mean. it dosnt have to be dead on, just deadly enough. im not getting a sniper rifle, im lookin for that long range rifle.
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Some say .308, but it falls between 7.62x51 and .30-06. It has been around for 120 years. There are 8 power and up scopes for the PSL, that would make it a 1000 yard rifle. BTW, you may hit them in the crotch w/ a low fps load when aiming for the chest. But for supression, keeping them pinned down and heads down is the name of the game.
Edit: M2 ball (.30-06), which is light ball 150gr had a MV of 2700fps. So although 7.62x54r has less down range energy to HB .30-06, it is eqaul to or bests M2 ball.

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Some say .308, but it falls between 7.62x51 and .30-06. It has been around for 120 years. There are 8 power and up scopes for the PSL, that would make it a 1000 yard rifle. BTW, you may hit them in the crotch w/ a low fps load when aiming for the chest. But for supression, keeping them pinned down and heads down is the name of the game.
Edit: M2 ball (.30-06), which is light ball 150gr had a MV of 2700fps. So although 7.62x54r has less down range energy to HB .30-06, it is eqaul to or bests M2 ball.
so im guessing that high grade ammo is the name of the game with the dragon. hmm i had no idea it was that nice. but again with semi if the first round dosent hit, the others will. besides a 1000 is about the max range in my head. more like 700 to 1000 is the killbox im looking for. keeping the enemy from advancing and or closing in at a faster rate.
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