[hardluk1]

Go over to accurateshooters or 6mmbr, same site. Read around the info pages there on calibers See what guys are shooting. Maybe think about the 243 cartidge also as a easy shooting round that carries well with 105 to 115 gr bullets. If you take to the sport you can allways change barrels to a more dedicated and higher quality barrel and a more specialized cartidge down the road. . Look at the model 11/111 long range hunter for a rifle in the same price range as the model 10's. If you can come up with some extra bucks Savage's target series can compete out of the box but the 11/111 long range hunter can get you into the game.

[axxe55]

Originally Posted by Ryadew3468

Alright, im going to get online today and do some research. Thanks fellas

you need to do a lot of research and study on this if you ever have any possibilty of shooting at the distances you have in mind. also realize, this will be very expensive and require quality components and a talented gunsmith to build a rifle capable of precision shooting at long distances. it will require lots of trigger time and practice. there is much more than just buying a rifle and then go shooting at a 1000 yards and being able to accurately hit the target. many say they want to shoot at 1000 yards or more, very few are capable.

[Ryadew3468]

Originally Posted by axxe55

you need to do a lot of research and study on this if you ever have any possibilty of shooting at the distances you have in mind. also realize, this will be very expensive and require quality components and a talented gunsmith to build a rifle capable of precision shooting at long distances. it will require lots of trigger time and practice. there is much more than just buying a rifle and then go shooting at a 1000 yards and being able to accurately hit the target. many say they want to shoot at 1000 yards or more, very few are capable.

Im with you 100% on it. I know it will take alot of practice and money ect. Im sure im capable of shooting 1000 yards after i get the experience. I didnt mean to down play it earlyer in my posts.

[locutus]

Army and Marine snipers use the .308 for 1000 yard shooting.

And they're quite good at it.

[Gonzilla]

I forgot to tell you I had a chat w a technical specialist from Savage when I was researching their Percision Carbine. I asked about long range shooting and he said their law enforcement line was my best bet as they paid "extra attention" to that line.

The hunting & entry level line while perfectly adequate for the vital zone of game animals, was not intended or designed for 1,000 yard shooting.

Did I buy it ? No - why ? 7 lb rifle in 308 is too light for extended range time and the 223 is 1:9 and you need 1:7 to stabilize the heavier 77-80 gr rds necessary for 600 yd shooting.

Note: savage does make a Tgt gun w 1:7 rifling. If interested, I can make a case for a 223 Tgt gun for training. Bo-cu high quality ammo, even more cheap military surplus ammo and very easy on the shoulder. Doping the wind is the hardest part and the 223 doesn't make it any easier - is an issue.

[mrm14]

http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/?p=1

[Ryadew3468]

I think im going to go with the savage 111 long range hunter. For a starter rifle. Plus you can get diffent barrels for it. the thing now is what caliber. Leaning towards the 7mm rem mag but still reading about it. it also coming in 6.5 creedmore and 300 wsm. Im worried about barrel life aswell.

[Ranger-6]

The 7mm rem mag was the primary sniper rifle for the Secret Service for many years.

[Ryadew3468]

Originally Posted by Ranger-6

The 7mm rem mag was the primary sniper rifle for the Secret Service for many years.

Only problem is the barrel life with that gun. Or so ive heard. Haha

[axxe55]

Originally Posted by Ryadew3468

Only problem is the barrel life with that gun. Or so ive heard. Haha

not always true. powder to case size, vs. caliber, large case, lots of powder, small bullet= short barrel life, usually, as there are always exceptions to the rule.

there is a very good write-up on the 7mm caliber on AccurateShooters.com website on the forgiving nature of the 7mm calibers vs. barrel life in comparison to larger and smaller calibers. also some good info on the recoil comparison.