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SubZero 10-06-2012 06:30 PM

Lead Sled for fine sighting?
 
Up to now with my 300wsm I've been sticking to Bore Sighting, just for getting used to the rifle and all on the range.

There seem to be a lot of variables involved, such as flinch, how much caffeine I've had that day (grin) and how cold it is outside, but generally even with Bore Sighting I get 20 shots in a 5"-6" range with half a dozen bullseyes with 180 grain Winchester X.

But I've been wondering, would it be worth using a Lead Sled to help provide some fine sighting for that rifle?

Or would that not really help much given the punch the rifle has when fired?

Thanks

Gatoragn 10-06-2012 06:48 PM

I like to use a sled just to take all of the variables you mentioned out of the equation. Once I know for sure the bullet hits where I want it to, I switch to just sand bags for practice. I deer hunt quite a bit in shooting houses, so shooting off a sand bag is closer to actual hunting condition.

Txhillbilly 10-06-2012 07:19 PM

When shooting rifles with a fair amount of felt recoil,a Lead Sled will really help you sight in your scope.Your rifle may or may not shoot that particular ammo well,sometimes you have to find what the gun likes to shoot.It may be a different brand/type of bullet/or weight of the bullet.

c3shooter 10-06-2012 11:47 PM

As long as first shot is on paper, I can usually zero in 3 shots max, using the sled. First shot, come back to initial point of aim, check point of impact, adjust, fire (usually on), adjust if needed, fire to confirm.

TLuker 10-07-2012 02:35 AM

I don't think the led sleds help that much other than confidence (except for maybe a gun that kicks the snot out of you)? I use to question my results when shooting and like most I would wonder how much of my group spread was me and how much was the gun. I finally got a couple of guns really dialed in and my groups were outstanding off sandbags. That gave me confidence in my shooting and let know that if the gun is the big variable and not my shooting. I still pull one every now and then but not often.

I don't think of myself as anything other than an average shot. That being the case, most others would also shoot great groups if their gun is right. :)

SubZero 10-07-2012 02:56 AM

I think I would want to use the Lead Sled to make it easy to accurately sight-in, then not use it again for general shooting.

I might want to know the gun is actually spot-on, so that I can then determine just how bad a shot I really am. :)

25-5 10-07-2012 04:00 PM

I do not see any use for the sled. It's not you shooting. I have a 300 Weatherby, sighted in 50yrs ago, been on planes, horseback, still dead nuts on. Minor adjustment for ammo.
Also a little of your blood dripping on the scope is a good learning experience.

alsaqr 10-07-2012 04:24 PM

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do not see any use for the sled. It's not you shooting.
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Never saw any need for a lead sled. i install a lot of scopes and sight in a lot of rifles. Luckily, i'm nearly impervious to recoil, and that helps greatly. See a lot of folks sight in their rifles using lead sleds and never fire the gun from their shoulder. Some of those guys have come back to the range for help after missing or wounding deer and elk because the gun was not properly zeroed. Saw quite a few stocks ruined by lead sleds too.

SubZero 10-07-2012 04:38 PM

At the range I shoot with the front stock in the sandbagged cradle and the rifle against my shoulder. The butt end is not touching sandbags or anything else, except me.

Regarding the Lead Sled, in my mind, it would seem a very good way to help provide pin-point accuracy for the initial sighting in, using the same ammo that I would use for general shooting.

If I'm using Winchester X 130 grain for the .270, I take the bore-sighted rifle, place it in the Lead Sled and sight-in for that particular ammo.

I'm not going to have as steady of a hand as a stationary base would, so figured if the rifle rests snugly in the Lead Sled, I have a better chance of getting off a consistent / true shot each time with less variance, which is what I would want for accurately sighting in the rifle, correct?

Once the rifle is sighted as accurately as possible using my preferred ammo, I can feel pretty confident that any variation from target is My doing and not the rifles.

From that point I can work towards improving my technique until I'm able to get a good grouping on a consistent basis.

Again, I'd only use the Lead Sled for initial sighting. After sighting is complete, that Lead Sled is tucked away in the garage and only brought out if for some reason the scope becomes off, or I change ammunition, say to 150 grain and maybe a different brand.

Hope that makes more sense.

Old_Crow 10-07-2012 05:38 PM

I sight in any gun several times. Weather, mood, caffeine intake, and many other factors can affect your shooting on a given day. Once the rifling is worn in on a new gun point of impact can change. I want to check scopes several times to make sure I don't have a POS. Have several sessions with a 22 after shooting your 300 to avoid flinching.


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