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Mark_Van_Goth 05-30-2013 08:31 PM

Kalashnikov Platform Review:The truth about AK47 and it's derivatives
 
I'm the proud owner of a Zastava M70 AB2(made in 1982) and a former professional operator of it.I can say...What a rifle!In many cases,for those who served in an army where an AK was the stardard issued rifle, these rifles are true leggends.
But frankly speaking:How really good are these rifles?What AK can be considered the best one- the one that is "above all"?

I want to hear from you your opinion about these rifles-based on your own experience with it.

My opinion & experience
I shot the following weapons:AK47(Made in 1958), AKM, AK74,AK74M,AK 105, AK 102, AK 103, Zastava M70 B2, Zastava M70 AB2,WASR 10, AMD 64,IMI Galil(I know it is not a "real" AK BUT IT ROCKS),Zastava M92, Zastava M77, Zastava M21

My personal Review:
-Really reliable, the rifle will simply work in almost any enviroment.But it is not that reliable in extreme sand conditions(If you dont believe me, try it)
-Easy of use:It takes literally 10- min to learn how to use, assembly and disassembly it.
-It is accurate enough to kill somebody till 100-150 meters, even more.It all depends on the caliber, ammo, barrel lenght, etc(For example:I shot a modified Zastava M70 B1 that had a 510 mm barrel...believe or not, it was almost as accurate as an M16 at 100 m (110y))
-Controlability:This is absolutely one of its weakest points.It requires a lot of practice in order to be shot properly and let the operator to get used to the recoil(because of the the way it works).
Magazine change:Not the best...very simple, but not the fastest available.Again, it require a lot of practice in order to be REALLY FAST.You can improve it, but you'll have to spend extra money in customiz or a lot of time.
Modification acceptance:It can be modified in so many different ways and it is so easy to get the work done(almost everything can be upgraded on the rifle...with no gunsmitting).
Durability:While in the army and in the paramilitary forces(TO), I've seen seen several guys abusing these rifles, but they simply keep working...as I TOLD YOU...THESE RIFLES WILL KEEP YOU ALIVE.In the worst case, you'll get killed before they will stop working.

Conclusion:
It was like a good friend while I was in the army.Maybe it is not the best rifle in the world, but it would be definitively my weapon of choice.
Best AK rifle ever made?I opt for the Zastava M70-Yugoslavians were well know for several things, but in my opinion one of the most relevant is the fact that they're great gunbuilders(They have never invented or reinvented any weapon...but they were real masters in copying and improving existing weapons-just take in consideration great weapons like the Zastavas M70, M92,M53, M59/66, M76, M91 and the M48)

orangello 05-30-2013 08:42 PM

What do you think of the VZ58 from czechpoint and the rifle it is made from? http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/rifles/762-x-39-mm/sa-vz-58-hi-cap-sporter-/

HankStone 05-30-2013 11:56 PM

Any AK that is arguing with you is bad medicine,I myself have much respect for the AK!

Mark_Van_Goth 05-31-2013 04:34 AM

Vz 58
 
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Originally Posted by orangello (Post 1262514)
What do you think of the VZ58 from czechpoint and the rifle it is made from? http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/rifles/762-x-39-mm/sa-vz-58-hi-cap-sporter-/

Well the vz.58 is not an AK, since it works in a completely different way(Short-stroke gas piston, it has striker instead of the hammer, a hold-open bolt mechanism, etc).It is only similar to the AK rifles, but not the same thing.Anyway...even if not a member of the family, its a great rifle!My brother got one and let me try it.I would define its platform as "somehow better" than the AK one(Just for being honest:Highest rate of fire, higher precision, better operating mechanism(More controllable, ease mag change, loadable with stripper clips, hold-bolt-open mechanism, and a more "convenient" safety).Definitively, it si not a weapon which you would never notice.

locutus 05-31-2013 01:38 PM

The AK is an awesome weapon. Especially now that the Russians have abandoned the "pumpkin rollers" and developed a decent modern round for it.

The 5.45X39 is great military round.

Mark_Van_Goth 06-03-2013 11:10 AM

Well...
 
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Originally Posted by locutus (Post 1263307)
The AK is an awesome weapon. Especially now that the Russians have abandoned the "pumpkin rollers" and developed a decent modern round for it.

The 5.45X39 is great military round.

Well...the 5,45 exist since 1974(if not even before that year)...I don't know what did you mean by that("...now that the russians have abandoned...").
Funny but true, one of the best calibers to chamber an AK in is the the 5,56x45 NATO.Even if it is not the "original" caliber, it is far more effective in terms of accuracy and stopping power than a 7,62x39 or the 5,45x39-because of the way it "reacts/behave" once it hits the target.

primer1 06-03-2013 12:13 PM

I don't know about more effective than 7.62, but 5.45 is more effective than 5.56 because it is a longer bullet, which causes a lot more damage because of when the bullet tumbles in the target.

locutus 06-03-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark_Van_Goth (Post 1266229)
Well...the 5,45 exist since 1974(if not even before that year)...I don't know what did you mean by that("...now that the russians have abandoned...").
Funny but true, one of the best calibers to chamber an AK in is the the 5,56x45 NATO.Even if it is not the "original" caliber, it is far more effective in terms of accuracy and stopping power than a 7,62x39 or the 5,45x39-because of the way it "reacts/behave" once it hits the target.


I agree that the 5.56 is a more effective round, by far, thsn either of the Russian rounds.

My point was that the 5.45 was an order of magnitude improvement over the the old timey pumpkin roller 7.62.X39.

BTW, I've heard nothing about the Russians abandoning the 5.45. quite the opposite, their new "AN-94" is chambered for it, as is the RPK-74.

Jersey700PB 06-03-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark_Van_Goth

Well...the 5,45 exist since 1974(if not even before that year)...I don't know what did you mean by that("...now that the russians have abandoned...").
Funny but true, one of the best calibers to chamber an AK in is the the 5,56x45 NATO.Even if it is not the "original" caliber, it is far more effective in terms of accuracy and stopping power than a 7,62x39 or the 5,45x39-because of the way it "reacts/behave" once it hits the target.

5.56 in no way shape or form has more stopping power than a 7.62x39. While the 5.56 does out perform in accuracy at most ranges the 5.56 is extremely lacking in the stopping power department which is why most are screaming to get away from the 5.56. Research some of the reports from the military in the Middle East. The 5.56 simply does not "drop" a target.

Military contracted many firearms companies to create an AR that could fire a 30 cal projectile. In all honesty if the 7.62x39 operated properly in an AR there's a good change the 5.56 would have been replaced. The 7.62x39 doesn't operate well in the AR platform do to the slanted side on the casing. Check out the 300 black out.. Which is similarly to the 7.62x39 which is regarded as superior to 5.56 and will ultimately replace it.

orangello 06-03-2013 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jersey700PB (Post 1266372)
...Military contracted many firearms companies to create an AR that could fire a 30 cal projectile. In all honesty if the 7.62x39 operated properly in an AR there's a good change the 5.56 would have been replaced. The 7.62x39 doesn't operate well in the AR platform do to the slanted side on the casing. Check out the 300 black out.. Which is similarly to the 7.62x39 which is regarded as superior to 5.56 and will ultimately replace it.

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My dream AR. :D


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