[warhawk77]

Originally Posted by HOSSFLY

They ARE good fun guns BUT com'on-
They are over 4 ft long & weigh almost 10lbs without ammo or scope
SD in the house? You'll knock holes in the walls
Bug out gun- You really want to carry that around?

The 91/30 is long but the 44 is 40" long so much nicer to carry.

They both are 9 pounds so yes they aren't light. Add a scope and ammo your at 10 easy.

For a house defense gun take a shotgun but if you want a 400-500 yard rifle you can't do better for the price. Also if your taking long shots guessing your setting up for a shot so weight isn't that big of a problem.

[therewolf]

I wouldn't want to trust ANY scope on a bug-out.

But I'd take an M44 over many for simplicity, built-in bayonet,

and overall size and trim. One tough gun.

I wouldn't want to have to fight a war with it, and yes, I

might be easily outgunned against most semis,

but it's simplicity is probably the Mosin's

biggest strength.

[MrMosin]

As many others have said before, gotta go with the mosin! Able to take down pretty much any big game in north america, ammo is dirt cheap, iron sights, and it is competently accurate, especially for being as old a design as it is, did i mention it is capital S simple?. Weight sould not really be much of a drawback if it has the sling, just carry it over your shoulder.

[HOSSFLY]

I agree pretty much the Mosin is a great simple dependable gun-
Again the sheer size puts me off-
BUT i've allways thought the CALIBER shuld be the major deciding factor on a Bug Out rifle (HD dont much matter)
Afterall a mear mortal man can only tote so many rds of ammo- I figure if some of us had to play like the cast of Red Dawn wud we be able to "acquire" ammo for a Mosin at any mom 'n pop hardware store? I figure I could get 22LR, 30-30, 30'06, most likely 308 & good chance 223
Bottom line i want (& have at the ready) a lightweight BOLT action rifle with scope AND useable iorn sights in several of the mentioned calibers
Just my 2 bits--

[Wambli]

Originally Posted by CHLChris

I've got an AR-15, but I really feel like I need a rifle that can take a deer in a SHTF situation, but can also be a more powerful round for neighborhood defense if I ever needed that.

I can't put more than $500 into this rifle purchase, and every dollar less than that figure could go for ammo.

Caliber: .308, 7.62x51NATO, 7.62x54R (cheapest long-range ammo)

Action: Bolt-action more accurate and least complex for SHTF maintenance.

Magazine: Detachable box would be ideal!

Sights: If it isn't scoped already, it must have iron sights. Many hunting rifles do not have iron sights.

I would love to eventually have an M1A or even an AR-10, but don't have $1200-1500. Maybe I should just get a Mosin Nagant 91/30 at $130 so I have a solid rifle now, and save up for what I really want.

There is a BAZILLION used Savage .308 or 30-06s out there in the $2-300 range. A Nikon Prostaff scope and you are good to go under $500.

[towboater]

AK47 ....as reliable as a bolt action.

[canebrake]

No brainer!

Savage EDGE XP 308 W/SCOPE $322.00 SHIPS FREE

[HOSSFLY]

Originally Posted by canebrake

No brainer!

Savage EDGE XP 308 W/SCOPE $322.00 SHIPS FREE

Purdy hard to argue with that
PLUS Buds is GREAT to buy from!

[JonM]

mosin m44 in my opinion. but i would skip the scope for shtf. mosins can use stripper clips just as fast as magazines in a bolt gun.

[dunerunner]

If you go with the Mosin, stock up on ammo cause come SHTF there won't be any Cheaper than Dirt or UPS!

.308 Win/NATO will be all over the place, and reloadable.