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Old 03-28-2013, 02:12 AM   #41
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No 7mm Rem mag? One of the most versatile loadings out there. Can do everything the 30/06 can but faster and better ballistics. The only thing the 06 has in the 7mm mag is barrel life.
What do you mean by barrel life?
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What do you mean by barrel life?
I shoot a 7MM Rem mag. Ignore it. You need to start at basics. The 7mm Rem mag is a fine distance shooter, but in a new centerfire shooters hands, it is no better then anything mentioned before.
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I shoot a 7MM Rem mag. Ignore it. You need to start at basics. The 7mm Rem mag is a fine distance shooter, but in a new centerfire shooters hands, it is no better then anything mentioned before.
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I like 6.5's, but w/ what bullet are you hitting 2900fps? I can load 100gr in a 6.5x55 and achieve that, but it is not a big game load.

Alliant RL 17 pushes my 140 vld more than 2900 feet per second in a 26 inch barrel and it absolutely put big game down!

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I like 6.5's, but w/ what bullet are you hitting 2900fps? I can load 100gr in a 6.5x55 and achieve that, but it is not a big game load.

Alliant RL 17 pushes my 140 vld more than 2900 feet per second in a 26 inch barrel and it absolutely put big game down!
2900 from a "hunting weight" 6.5 isn't hard. In a .260 Rem you can easily do it with a 125 gr. Partition or 130 gr. Accubond or Scirocco. W760, Viht N560, and RL19 will all do it.

From my .264 Win Mag I can push the same bullets to over 3100 fps. With 140 gr. bullets (Partition, SST, VLD, etc.) I too get well over 2900 fps out of its mere 24" barrel.
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2900 from a "hunting weight" 6.5 isn't hard. In a .260 Rem you can easily do it with a 125 gr. Partition or 130 gr. Accubond or Scirocco. W760, Viht N560, and RL19 will all do it.

From my .264 Win Mag I can push the same bullets to over 3100 fps. With 140 gr. bullets (Partition, SST, VLD, etc.) I too get well over 2900 fps out of its mere 24" barrel.
Yeah but you'll have half the barrel life doing that. I love the idea pushing those high BC 140 as fast as possible but there really no reason... speed is awesome inside 300 as you don't have to account for drop much at all. But really if your shooting past that you should have the optics to do so. Meaning at the very least a BDC reticle. The best method is turrets that are absolutely repeatable and its nice to have a moa or BDC reticle for those rushed shots! BDC reticle alone can be very effective with practice, but you cant argue that dialing in your turrets is the most accurate way to make a shot.... that being said if you're going to take the time to adjust your turn for a shot then there really is no difference between doing 6 clicks and 8 clicks.... that being said 200fps is mostly trivial when shooting extreme distances... So in the end I will take the 6.5 X 284 over the 264 Win Mag any day because I get rid of the belt it is inherently way more accurate and my barrel will last a lot longer. My first 6.5 millimeter was a 6.5 x 270wsm (3250fps on a 140VLD not even maxed out!). When I fried that Barrel in very few rounds I decided to go with a 6.5 X 284. To be honest I have not seen enough difference in terminal performance on big game to warrant the 1000 less rounds. They are all still folding in their tracks!
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Oh and here's a picture of it. I did the stock myself. believe it or not that's the same stock. I customize stocks part time. this 1 is completely bedded and floated with a carbon fiber handguard

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I don't quite understand what any of you mean by barrel life. Can anyone explain?

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No 7mm Rem mag? One of the most versatile loadings out there. Can do everything the 30/06 can but faster and better ballistics. The only thing the 06 has in the 7mm mag is barrel life.
Or you can look at it this way. For your average hunter the .308 or 30-06 will do anything the 7mm Mag will do within reasonable shooting ranges with cheaper ammo, less recoil and longer barrel life.

I have plenty of Magnums myself but the love affair with them by some folks puzzle me. In the OPs situation I fail to see how a 7mm Mag is a better rifle that a good 308 or 30-06 for deer hunting in PA.

Could you please explain "faster and better ballistics" than a 30-06 or .308 as it would apply to killing deer? Bullet construction has a LOT more to do with hunting performance on game than speed any given day of the week, and you can't EVER top the popular 30-06 and .308 as far as selection of bullets in commercial loadings.
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You still have a ways to go. The .22 is a great rifle for trigger time and small game. A shotgun is better for Turkey and waterfowl(if it fly's, shotgun). .30-06 is a VG all around Cartridge. When you start shooting it and try and hit a 9" paper plate at 400 yards, you'll see it is not so easy. Stay away from cheap big bell high mag scopes. Hunting the woods of Pa a good 3-9x32 or 40mm scope will do very well. Get quality, don't cheap out. There are some VG mid-range priced scopes that will fit the bill. I still think a .308 would be a better 1st rifle option. But hey, you've made huge strides. Best of luck, JP
Excellent advice!!! As a matter of fact my standard beginer's rifle recommendation is a Remington 700 SPS in .308 with either a Leupold VX-2 2-7 or VX-3 2.5-8 or Nikon Monarch 2-7 scope on it as a good, basic all around USA hunting rig.
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