Same here. I have a steel rod that was made by my old buddy, a smith, and the customer never picked it up. It gets used on really bad bores. 99.9% of the time I use an Otis system. But there is always a nasty bore that needs a good ridged rod to scrub it clean. I also have used outers foaming. The Otis cable system just is not practical as the foam needs to be pushed out.