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Old 02-05-2010, 05:00 AM   #1
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I don't know if you guys are at all like me, but I like to sit around and daydream about different things. My latest daydream is my next rifle build.

I already have two AR's and an extra lower. I was going to build a 20" bull barreled AR for "longer range" shots with the spare lower, but I thought for less than the cost of the upper I can buy a Remington 700 SPS in .308. Then I would have a precision bolt gun.

What do you think? Would you rather have precision bolt gun or another AR. By the way one of the AR's is a M4 copy cat and the other is a carbine with a DPMS 16" Bull barrel.

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Old 02-05-2010, 06:47 AM   #2
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I dont have a thing for bolt guns, but i REALLY don't have as thing for AR's.

However....I think you should diversify. .223 or 5.56 is great and all, but up the caliber a little bit. I'd love to have a .308......but mine would be an M1A.

But then again, I'm weird. I don't like bolt guns, or AR's....what the heck? haha. I guess thats why i just picked up the .45-70 lever gun.

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Get the Rem 700/308

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2X what cane says. Sounds like somebody's dreams are rather ambiguous, I'm not a SA person but if I had 2 already I would probably want a versatile gun in a different format. 308 is an excellent all around choice in caliber. Who makes it is somewhat of a personal prefrence but 700 Rem would not disappoint you. Unless you want an AR collection, diversify. Only you can ultimately make a decision on what you want. Base that on what you want to do with the gun.

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Get the Rem 700/308
Or the Rem 700 in 30-06
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My latest daydream is a Remington 700 SPS in .308. Then I would have a precision bolt gun.
I don't know about a daydream there brother. That sounds more like a fantasy to me.

Out of the box, the Remington is a decent enough rifle, but it is FAR from being a "precision" anything.

Now everyone knows I am no fan of the Big Green marketing machine, but you really need to define "precision".

If you are talking about shooting a 2" group at 100 yards, or hitting a man sized target in the chest at 300 yards, those are both totally do able with that rifle.

If you are talking about shooting 3 or 5 shot groups at 100 yards that you can cover with a dime? Good luck. You are going to be doing A LOT of work to that factory stick to achieve that level of performance.

Let me ask you this: What do you want this "long range" stick to do? Whether it be an AR or a boltgun?

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Percision bolt gun. Thats easy

Surgeon 591 Short Action http://www.surgeonrifles.com/homepage/

Kreiger barrel chambered in 260 rem with a tight neck. http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/

Mc Millan F-CLASS stock. http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-stocks-competition-stock-list.php?subnav=branch4a

Surgeon RSR Scope Rail 20MOA http://www.surgeonrifles.com/homepage/

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March 10-60x52mm scope. http://www.deon.co.jp/march/Long_range_benchrest.html

I would have all the metal coated flat black and get the stock in black gray and red.

Easy pezy

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I am not a 308 fan, nor a big fan or Remington. I would go with a savagefp in 30.06 if I wanted a bolt gun. But since you already have an ar lower, look into a 6.5 Grendal upper.

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I don't know about a daydream there brother. That sounds more like a fantasy to me.

Out of the box, the Remington is a decent enough rifle, but it is FAR from being a "precision" anything.

Now everyone knows I am no fan of the Big Green marketing machine, but you really need to define "precision".

If you are talking about shooting a 2" group at 100 yards, or hitting a man sized target in the chest at 300 yards, those are both totally do able with that rifle.

If you are talking about shooting 3 or 5 shot groups at 100 yards that you can cover with a dime? Good luck. You are going to be doing A LOT of work to that factory stick to achieve that level of performance.

Let me ask you this: What do you want this "long range" stick to do? Whether it be an AR or a boltgun?

JD
You're right my idea of precision is a little off kilter. I am envisioning 5" groups at about 500 yards. Truth be told the longest range I have available is 200 or so yards, however there is a 1000 meter known distance range about 1.5 hr away and I would like to visit it sometime. I know I will not shoot 1000 meters but it would be nice to be able to shoot 500.

The 700 I was looking at was the SPS Varmint with the heavy 26" barrel and the adjustable trigger. Then when money came around I would put a H&S stock on it.

I do love AR's, but by no means am a collector. My 16" bull barreled AR has a red dot on it, but it will be getting a 3x9 scope. I hope this will be a 100 yard tack driver and will be good for varmints out to 300 yards.

I was considering the 20" AR, mostly because I have a stripped M&P lower. I considered a 458, but after doing research and talking to Cane, I changed my mind and am going to use my 30-06 for hogs on the few occasions I get to go hunting. Instead of having a $3.50 a round gun sitting in the safe.

When I started pricing out the cost to build the AR, I thought "I can buy and build a remington 700 for the same money and I'll have a .308." In my ignorant mind I thought the .308 would be a better option than another .223.

Truth is I am a paper punching range warrior. In the last two years I got the bug because since I got retired I could not go out and play with the departments toys. Now I am trying to build a well rounded collection without getting obsessed.

My current collection is.
XD 40
XD 40 SC
G22
1911
10/22
Old Winchester 1917 30-06 "sporterized"
two carbine AR's
Mossy 590 for HD
Remington 1100 20 ga (given to me)
Remington 1100 12 ga(work in progress)
Chinese SKS (given to me)
Two Saiga S12's
and a couple of other shotguns (win 1400, some 20 ga)

As you can see other than 30-06, the largest caliber I have is the .223 and the 7.62x39. Since I am just getting into firearms as a hobby my purposes are a little stupid in that I want most of these guns just to have them. I don't hunt that often (bird mostly and hopefully pigs are in the future), my local range is pretty inadequate, but I hope to get into longer range(not long range) shooting. As far as I can see, I have no other reasons and will probably stop buying guns after this one. Or my wife will kill me considering the only guns I had two years ago were the 10/22 and my bird gun the Win 1400.

Brand reasoning Remington. Affordable adjustable trigger and factory 26" heavy barrel. Savage I love them, but the factory heavy barrels are 22" unless you go up to the higher priced sticks. Howa I can't figure out a damn thing about these things. The site is hard to navigate to figure out what models come with what. The Surgeons, H&S's, Mcmillans and others I would have to refinance my house to buy one.

Here's another thing, I can't leave anything alone. My trucks get lifted, my Chevelle is stripped waiting for it's big block. So asthetics is right up there with function. With that being said, I think a bolt gun with a 10 round mag hanging out the bottom looks great. Do I need it? No way, but it looks cool, just like a lift kit or wheels. The Remington I can get a trigger guard that accepts McMillan magazines, I know it sounds stupid but at least I am being honest.
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Stiller Viper DROP port Stillers Precision Firearms

SG&Y BRX Stock in Red and silver. Stillers Precision Firearms

Jewell 1oz trigger No safety GreatScottShooters.com - Supplying the finest accessories available for rifle shooting.

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