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Old 12-11-2010, 03:40 AM   #11
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what about the .22 hi-power savage ....my father in law's ol savage 99 will be my son's someday . i love that gun . s&b still sells this . if loaded with more modern bullets availiable now....ought to a great little whitetail rifle
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Chart out the ballistics for the 257 Roberts, 100gr., at modern factory CUPs. They are really impressive especially considering size and economy of the round.
This is Fing hilarious, as Its the one I would have mentioned first, second to the fact that my name is Logan too!
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This is Fing hilarious, as Its the one I would have mentioned first, second to the fact that my name is Logan too!
Cool, two more things in common!
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I saw some of these casings for the first time today. Don't know anything about the caliber. A wildcat?


I have a friend who built a .257 Roberts and later changed to .257 Roberts Ackley improved. He was really pleased with the change.
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way ahead of their time ....250 was the first cartridge to 3000 fps ,the 300 savage great deer caliber ...the 22 hi power was a 30-30 necked down to .22.. kinda the papa of the .220 swift ...and .221 fireball...great ideas but poor bullet design in those days ...blow up easily....22hipower would be great with nosler partitions or barnes triple shock x
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The cartridges with the multiple shoulder were the brain(?)child of Jaques Herter. Wild claims were made for them. Since chronographs were rarely seen, wildcatters were able to make claims with little concern that anyone would check it out.
I always figured the 7x61 S&H was derived from the 275 H&H which was nearly identical. Although not quite able to match 7mm Rem Mag performance, it was still a pretty good cartridge.
During the course of my career, I probably chambered no more than three or four 240 Weatherby's. Performance was closer to 75 to 100fps over the 6mm Remington if all else was equal. Still, it was an interesting cartridge.
Any discussion of forgotten cartridges has to include the cartridges designed and chambered by Charles Newton. The 256 Newton (really a 6.5mm), the 30 Newton, and the 35 Newton were all cartridges which were thoroughly modern in design. So much so that the 30 and 35 were reproduced with a belt and became the 308 and 358 Norma. If Newton had not been at odds with Winchester and Winchester had elected to chamber for his cartridges, we would never have seen the 300 H&H in North America. We would also have never seen the 338 or 300 Winchester magnums. Winchester might have elected to neck up the 30 Newton to 375 just like Ruger did and the 375 Winchester African would have been born.
The 256 Newton provided the impetus for Winchester to produce the 270 Winchester. The 256 is a slightly shortened 6.5-06 and the original loading drove a 129 grain bullet at around 3000 fps. Today, it would still be a great performer. GD
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