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Old 07-01-2012, 06:29 PM   #11
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I like to buy American when I can get fairly equal quality. OTOH, I'm not going to buy a Ruger or S&W in place of a SIG, HK, FN or Beretta.

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This is a free country. You have a choice to buy an American or foreign product, usually. Technically, you have the freedom to bi%$# about the economy if you buy foreign, but that would be contradicting common sense.

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I dont think my Foreign ones were bought from their respective countrys ..

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I think American gun manufactures have been pretty dominate in lever actions and revolvers. And true the double rifles never really caught on here, but many American gun manufactures produced some fine single shots. Garand also did pretty well with his action.

America and Europe had very different cultures and needs, and that resulted in different ideas regarding what a gun should be. The double rifle's were made for royalty to take on safari in thick brush in Africa and for Tigers in India. The big American single shots like the Sharpe's were for buffalo on the plains. The Swiss culturally are just fanatics about precision. Those differences resulted in different directions in gun design.

One of histories little ironies is John Browning strengthening the action of the Winchester in the model 94 so that it could shoot the .30 WCF (30-30). That gun and that caliber went on to become American icons. What's ironic is the 30-30 and 7.62x39 are almost identical in performance. Basically the iconic Russian 7.62x39 is a modernized 30-30. How's that for irony?

I can't help but to wonder how much influence the 30-30 had on the development of the 7.62x39 (if any)?
7.62x39 was directly influenced by the 7.92mm(7.92x33) Kurtz for the STG44 as was the AK47.
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7.62x39 was directly influenced by the 7.92mm(7.92x33) Kurtz for the STG44 as was the AK47.
Yep, there is definitely a family resemblance there.
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I guess boats and guns dont mix...



I think the trick is to SECURE the guns to the boat/ship.



I don't discriminate much on nationality, and i recognize that the durability and simplicity and ease-or-use of certain commblock designs appeals to my personal ideals (SKS and AK-type rifles). I also like the 30 calibers over the .22s.

Amongst my handguns, the Ruger revolver is the main American model; it carries some of the same characteristics of those simple, sturdy commblock rifles.
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Why does it matter where the gun was made? American made guns are not always the best. We have been know to make a good amount of crap too. If a gun shoots well, I will buy it. The "buying American will help support our economy" argument is not very good either. Someone had to import those guns, ship them, and then sell them.

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I dont think my Foreign ones were bought from their respective countrys ..
+1. I'm not seeing an American 1896 design that comes close to the M96 Mauser. That goes for 1898 also. The U.S 1903 Springfield is a copy of the Mauser. The U.S. paid a yearly fee after loosing in court to Mauser for patent infringement. Hell before the 1903 there was the Krag, which was Norwegian. They dumped it faster then we did. Theirs used the modern smokeless 6.5x55, that was 1894. We were using .30 cal govt black powder at San Juan Hill.
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I had a Winchester model 70 in 1960, very nice weapon. When I got out of the service I treated myself to a very nice J. P. Sauer double sided by side 20 ga. Greener crossbolt double underlings. The quality is great on both as is the quality on my S&W 38.

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Sorry for the typo underllugs.

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