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Old 02-22-2010, 07:28 AM   #11
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is there any difference between military and civilian rounds besides names?

and name brands are good if you have the cash to fork out that is :/

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Old 02-22-2010, 12:38 PM   #12
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Yes. 5.56x45 runs at a higher pressure than .223. The rifle need a 5.56, CIP, or Wylde chamber to use 5.56 reliably. .308 runs at a higher pressure than 7.62x51, so .308 should not be used in a firearm that is 7.62 chambered. Many 7.62 surplus rifles are marked .308. That is incorrect.
Back to the Saiga. They are reliable rifles w/ decent accuracy.

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Old 02-22-2010, 04:27 PM   #13
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Yes. 5.56x45 runs at a higher pressure than .223. The rifle need a 5.56, CIP, or Wylde chamber to use 5.56 reliably. .308 runs at a higher pressure than 7.62x51, so .308 should not be used in a firearm that is 7.62 chambered. Many 7.62 surplus rifles are marked .308. That is incorrect.
Back to the Saiga. They are reliable rifles w/ decent accuracy.
+1, although I thought all the military rounds were the higher pressures and the civi rounds weren't. Cool I learned something new about the 308
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I would say that if you are looking for a first firearm, everybody needs a good shotgun. This shotgun could be used for home defense, trap, sporting clays, and small game hunting. I have a couple remington 870 shotguns and are very happy with them. As DarinCraft said I would stick with a name brand for replacement parts, customer service, etc.

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Dude if your looking for a home defense gun dnt look at rifles. That is the worst choice you could make for home defense. Get a shotgun.

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i really appreciate your reply very informational, oh and the 308 round would be more of a SHTF thing because in my opinion .223 doesnt have enough man stopping power, im surprised the military uses it. thanks a lot i wish i had a more lengthy reply to yours. =)
First off any defensive arsenal should be based upon the 12 ga pump shotgun. Everything else is gravy beyond that.

.223 is a VERY viable man stopper. 5.56 ammo the military uses is full metal jacketed (per the Hague Accords). Comparing .223 soft points and 5.56 FMJ is like comparing a 6 cylinder F-150 to a Powerstroke F-350. They kind of look the same, but they do not perform the same.
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