Fail to Fire 8 Times
You are Unregistered, please register to use all of the features of FirearmsTalk.com!    
Firearm & Gun Forum - FireArmsTalk.com > Long Guns > General Rifle Discussion >

Fail to Fire 8 Times


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-04-2013, 02:38 PM   #1
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Malan35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 59
Liked 13 Times on 7 Posts

Default

Hey guys I ordered some of that Russian surplus .223 ammo from sportsmansguide (green box with brown bear on side). I ordered 260 rounds but only brought 40 to the range with me just do to some testing. Well I loaded up the first mag and out of 30 rounds I had 8 fail to fires. I collected them and noticed that all of the primers were hit. Just no bang. I really don't want to shoot the rest of the batch mowing there could be more like this. Should I complain to sportsmansguide or to the ammo company themselves? Not looking to start a war, just would like some kind of compensation if this continues to happen. You guys have any experience with this? Thanks!
Malan35 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today - It's Free!

Are you a firearms enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Firearms Talk is owned and operated by fellow firearms enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information.

Join FirearmsTalk.com Today! - Click Here


Old 01-04-2013, 03:55 PM   #2
Moderator
FTF_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
JonM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Rochester WI,Rochester WI
Posts: 19,267
Liked 6820 Times on 3623 Posts
Likes Given: 513

Default

out of what rifle??

the russian primers are typically pretty hard and require a pretty stout smack to set them off. your rifle either has a slightly weaker hammer spring or a dirty firing pin channel.
__________________
"Gun control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound." L. Neil Smith

The problem with being stupid is you cannot simply decide to stop doing dumb things...

"I crapped my pants to avoid the draft!!" -Ted Nugent
JonM is offline  
alsaqr Likes This 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 03:57 PM   #3
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Malan35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 59
Liked 13 Times on 7 Posts

Default

It's a bushmaster XM-15
Malan35 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 06:01 PM   #4
Supporting Member
FTF_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
25-5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,800
Liked 1024 Times on 715 Posts
Likes Given: 291

Default

Also, please be safe and watch for a hang fire.
__________________
"...from my cold dead hands" Charlton Heston & NRA
"He which hath no stomach to this fight,/ Let him depart." Henry V
25-5 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 06:58 PM   #5
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Malan35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 59
Liked 13 Times on 7 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 25-5
Also, please be safe and watch for a hang fire.
Hang fire?
Malan35 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 07:01 PM   #6
Moderator
FTF_MODERATOR.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
JonM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Rochester WI,Rochester WI
Posts: 19,267
Liked 6820 Times on 3623 Posts
Likes Given: 513

Default

hangfires happen when it goes click then some time passes and it goes boom on its own. it happens from weak primer strikes or faulty primers.

good close up pics of the failed primers would really help.

i had a similar issue with a savage rifle and it turned out to be an ever so slightly bent firing pin. caused just enough drag to slow it down.
__________________
"Gun control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her panty hose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound." L. Neil Smith

The problem with being stupid is you cannot simply decide to stop doing dumb things...

"I crapped my pants to avoid the draft!!" -Ted Nugent
JonM is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 07:02 PM   #7
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
vincent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: MLF
Posts: 4,122
Liked 1961 Times on 1033 Posts
Likes Given: 4288

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malan35 View Post
Hang fire?
When there is a delay from the primer strike to the actual ignition...

If you have a FTF, always...ALWAYS wait 30 seconds, keeping the rifle pointed downrange. If the cartridge does not detonate after 30 seconds, you are most likely in the clear...
__________________
EFFIN' TOF...
vincent is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 07:02 PM   #8
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: The Great North Woods
Posts: 2,565
Liked 2057 Times on 1074 Posts
Likes Given: 392

Default

sounds like crappy ammo - I'd be throwing it away before you have worse issues.....
chloeshooter is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 07:05 PM   #9
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Vancouver,WA
Posts: 6,165
Liked 5012 Times on 2430 Posts
Likes Given: 1601

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Malan35 View Post
Hang fire?
Hang fire is a delayed detonation.

The military teaches you to keep the weapon pointed in a safe direction with the action closed for 60 seconds following a "click no bang". This is SOP "at the range".

Of course they also teach Immediate action known as SPORTS to immediately clear a malfunction durring an engagement so...YMMV

SERIOUSLY though, when happens "in practice" IE at the range, do not immediately yank the bolt open. Hang fires have caused injury and death by being mishandled.

Tack
Tackleberry1 is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2013, 07:12 PM   #10
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Chainfire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 3,879
Liked 1728 Times on 1030 Posts
Likes Given: 374

Default

Of course any batch of ammo could be bad. The Russians are pretty good at making the stuff, I am betting it is a rifle problem. This theory can be easily tested......go buy a box of American made stuff; that will tell you whether it is gun or ammo.

Owning a rifle and not knowing what a hang fire is indicates a lack of knowledge that should be addressed. Not knowing basid stuff like that can get you or someone else killed. The NRA offers classes in rifle shooting. Look one up in your area.
__________________
"It is better to be too skeptical then too credulous"

Carl Sagan
Chainfire is offline  
 
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Firearms Forum Replies Last Post
300 blk fail!!! mountainman13 AR-15 Discussion 2 12-20-2012 06:25 PM
400$ fail tacticalfun Optics & Mounts 15 09-22-2012 11:54 PM
Babysitting fail. Overkill0084 The Club House 17 05-02-2012 09:16 PM
Fail to Fire? Vincine General Handgun Discussion 20 08-02-2011 10:10 PM
Fail of the Day CA357 The Club House 5 08-10-2010 07:08 AM



Newest Threads