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Old 09-23-2011, 02:11 PM   #21
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powderburn, check out Hornady's 160gr Leverrevolution ammo. might just be what you are looking for. hornady makes excellent ammo and i use a lot of their bullets when reloading. hope this helps and good hunting!
I will definitely check that out. Much appreciated, friend.


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On a heavier note, I don't know why this thread got so heated so quickly. Maybe everyone was having an off day; I don't know. We are here for encouragement and information, let's try to be a community in the up most scene of the word.

I thank everyone for their input. You guys ARE helping me learn.



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Old 09-23-2011, 04:30 PM   #23
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Oh and by the way dumb ass who named himself after colonel John Patterson who killed the lions in tsavo in north Kenya Africa in 1896 because the lions killed
More than one hundred railroad workers. Ive been to Africa. Ive shotten mire than a hundred hogs. I think I may know a thing ir two about hunting. The heavier the bullet the more it will drop. My bullet is still plenty heavy and the bullets I use are built for penetration. They're meant to take dangerous game. Your bullet is a heavier hitting bullet but not good for more than maybe fifty to seventy five yards. And I promise you you don't know half as much as you think you do. So next time you have a dilator remark to make. Think to your self. Hey. Maybe this guy knows what he's talking about. That will keep you from sounding like such a dumbass

My Name is James Patterson, John Henry Patterson Was my Grand fathers cousin. Yes I am related to the Anglo-Irish Lt.-Col. that killed the Man eaters of Tsavo. OK, When Col Patterson Killed the lions he used a 220gr .303, but why is it that nothing under .375, w/ the exception of a 9.3x62 is allowed on the continent of Africa for dangerous game? Do you think a 150 pound pig is dangerous?
These are numbers I ran. Your .25 caliber mag has 2340fpe w/ a 117gr RN at 3000fps mv, and is at 1320fpe at 200 yards. A .366 has 2801fpe w/ a 286gr partition RN at 2100fps mv, and 1904fpe at 200 yards.
The 170gr FP .30-30 is not near either, but has the potential of killing game fine out to 150 yards. Fine for brush country and a lever gun gives quick follow up shots. There is no perfect rifle, ammo, caliber for everything, but sometimes we use what we have and actually need to outsmart our game to be successful. If I were hunting antelope or whitetail, the .25 would be almost perfect in my book. The 9.3 will drop 7" at 200 yards compared w/ a .25 mag at 2.6". The 170gr .30-30 drops 7.5" @ 200, but is -2.8" at 150 yards and has the velosity and energy to do the job. (100 yard zero used).

OP, I read too many times that faster is better. I just don't subscribe to that. I was a recoil/Velosity junkie for a few years, but got tired of it. The sport of hunting had disapeared as the skill of the hunt became less then the distance factor had taken over.
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My Name is James Patterson, John Henry Patterson Was my Grand fathers cousin. Yes I am related to the Anglo-Irish Lt.-Col. that killed the Man eaters of Tsavo. OK, When Col Patterson Killed the lions he used a 220gr .303, but why is it that nothing under .375, w/ the exception of a 9.3x62 is allowed on the continent of Africa for dangerous game? Do you think a 150 pound pig is dangerous?
These are numbers I ran. Your .25 caliber mag has 2340fpe w/ a 117gr RN at 3000fps mv, and is at 1320fpe at 200 yards. A .366 has 2801fpe w/ a 286gr partition RN at 2100fps mv, and 1904fpe at 200 yards.
The 170gr FP .30-30 is not near either, but has the potential of killing game fine out to 150 yards. Fine for brush country and a lever gun gives quick follow up shots. There is no perfect rifle, ammo, caliber for everything, but sometimes we use what we have and actually need to outsmart our game to be successful. If I were hunting antelope or whitetail, the .25 would be almost perfect in my book. The 9.3 will drop 7" at 200 yards compared w/ a .25 mag at 2.6". The 170gr .30-30 drops 7.5" @ 200, but is -2.8" at 150 yards and has the velosity and energy to do the job. (100 yard zero used).

OP, I read too many times that faster is better. I just don't subscribe to that. I was a recoil/Velosity junkie for a few years, but got tired of it. The sport of hunting had disapeared as the skill of the hunt became less then the distance factor had taken over.
Thanks for the science. The only thing I know of propulsion and ballistics are what I learned in my aerospace class in high-school. And the military channel. I enjoy seeing the numbers to back up the facts.
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Here is a ballistics calcutator, it will teach you volumes. Down load it to your desktop. JBM - Calculations - Trajectory

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Cool. Thank you, friend.
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You are very welcome.

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JP, when a person such as yourself can back up what he says with facts and figures, it speaks volumes. i agree with you on the fact that there are no perfect calibers or guns. you choose one that will hopefully do the job you ask of it. people have hunted dangerous game with smaller calibers and suceeded. people have made very long shots with pistols and suceeded. but using a gun and caliber that is more suited to the task at hand makes better sense to me an average person. thanks.

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I've only killed a couple of small hogs (less than 100lbs) with my 30-30 but I have knocked over quite a few large whitetails over with those leverevolution rounds and on everthing i've shot they dropped with in 50 yards. And at the range they still group decent at 200 yards.

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I have herd the 270/06 argument for years. The real question is hydrostatic shock and stopping power with one shot if placement is less than accurate or rushed shot. The 338 starts that shock and stopping power needed when a brownie charges or a bull Moose is in rut and you need to put it down now

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