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Old 04-02-2010, 10:30 PM   #11
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The US M80 7.62mm round is not very effective especially when compared to the German 7.62 mm equivalent.

I often hunt hogs with the M193 5.56mm round. At ranges out to about 175 yards that little 55 grain bullet drops big hogs in their tracks when they are hit low behind the shoulder. The bullet penetrates 5-7", yaws and fragments. I would never think of shooting big hogs with the M 80 7.62mm round.

Col. Martin Fackler has treated more combat wounded troops than any other doctor alive.

Here is the ballistic gelatin comparison of various military bullets.

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What "German 7.62 mm equivalent"? The German Army used the NATo standard M-80 7.62 X 51 cartridge we have. What would make theirs better?
Unless you are referring to the WWII era 7.92mm German cartridge AKA 8 X 57? You cannot compare the two. One is a .30 caliber and the other is a .32 caliber. Apples and oranges.


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What "German 7.62 mm equivalent"? The German Army used the NATo standard M-80 7.62 X 51 cartridge we have. What would make theirs better?
Unless you are referring to the WWII era 7.92mm German cartridge AKA 8 X 57? You cannot compare the two. One is a .30 caliber and the other is a .32 caliber. Apples and oranges.
(I think) the Germans used a thinner jacket on their 7.62x51. If you look at the pictures in the page he linked, you can see the US-made 7.62x51 stays mostly together while passing through a medium while the German-made one fragments VERY violently.
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OK...Pictures are nice, but really do not tell the story of what each was fired into and the range to the target. I have shot many rounds of the Hirtenberger 7.62 NATO ammo and have not noticed any difference on the target from LC ammo.

It "could" be different/more effective. It "could" be that the German bullet pictured was fired into a more resistant medium or struck a significant bone like a femur.

Anyway you slice it, Ball ammo in any caliber will not be as effective as a decent soft point in that same caliber (on soft targets).

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I have shot many rounds of the Hirtenberger 7.62 NATO ammo and have not noticed any difference on the target from LC ammo.
Hirtenberger ammo is made in Austria.


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