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Old 04-06-2014, 01:35 AM   #1
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Default Dragunov or PSL

Anyone her familiar with this gun. Im looking at it as my next long range gun.
Also how does the 7.62x54 perform?


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Old 04-06-2014, 01:45 AM   #2
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End result of psl and svd getting rounds on target at range is the same. Advantage is psl however for simplicity of design. Both are 1-1.5 moa guns.

7.62x54r if in good quality ammunition identical to 30-06. Most spamcan surplus is somewhere between 30-30 and 308

To get the most out of the cartridge handloads work best. Winchester and a few others make great factory ammo

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If you have a choice and the budget, go Dragunov. Trigger, barrel quality, floating barrel handguard, and intermediate piston make for better accuracy potential.

Since real Drags haven't been imported for a while they tend to be pricey.

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Winchester white box - if you find it - will cost about $1.40 a pop. It is boxer primed. I shot a box of 20 today to sight in my SAKO M39. It did sub-1" at 100 yards when I did my part. Followed with Brown Bear ($.30 a shot) and got 3 MOA at best, but in fairness I wasn't trying very hard. A 6" steel plate got hit with any ammo at 200 yards.

I like the caliber because it gives you the choice between budget and match grade ammo. The 7.62x54R can be as expensive as any 30-06 or 303 British or .308, but also a lot more affordable than any ammo in those calibers. Of course you need a good rifle.

I have never fired a Dragunov, but all evidence supports its reputation. Its rarity in the civilian market makes it something of a collectible, much more expensive than it is worth as a shooter. The Romanian variant is more affordable and not collectible, but you can spend a lot less on a vintage bolt action and shoot it at least as well. Just my take.

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I have shot the Dragunov and currently own a PSL. While the Dragunov used to be the cremé de la cremé of Russian MOA rifles, the PSL does have the same level of accuracy for a much cheaper price, differing only in the action. The PSL resembles the AK but still turns in top-notch performance. If you are a history buff and like the older Dragunov, then by all means, it's a fine rifle. But if you are looking for an accurate 7.62X54, you will not be disappointed with the PSL and you'll have a lot of extra cash for ammunition and practice. Another consideration, if anything breaks, the Dragunov has a longer and more expensive hunt for parts.

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If you have the money for a real Dragunov or Tiger, for half the price you can have a non-collectible SCAR-17S that will outperform both rifles, with respect to accuracy, cost (due to collectibility of Dragunov and Tiger rifles, not because they actually cost more to produce), weight, features useful for long range shooting (like all the Picatinny rail you could ever use to mount optics to, an adjustable folding stock, better iron sights, and better fire control layout).

There isn't much in the way of aftermarket or factory parts for the Dragunov or Tiger. The SCAR 17S, M-14, FAL, and SR-25 all have far more aftermarket parts available.

I saw a brand new Tiger on Gunbroker for about 4.6K. I've seen some NDM-86's for even more. A brand new SCAR-17S is about 2.5K and you can get one in black or FDE.

As far as availability of inexpensive ammunition is concerned, match grade ammunition is not inexpensive, whether .308, 7.62x51, .30-06, or 7.62x54R.

The VEPR .308 and VEPR 7.62x54R chambered rifles have a reputation for decent accuracy. Good shooters can shoot around MOA with match grade ammunition. The rifles are less than half the price of a SCAR-17S. The 10 round magazines for the 7.62x54R variant are rather large because they're single stack. The .308 magazines are double stack.

The VEPR rifles are not Dragunov pattern rifles (AK operating mechanism vs Dragunov/Tiger/Medved/NDM-86 operating mechanism), though, and that point should be clear. Marc Krebs has done a lot of experimentation with enhancing the accuracy of the platform. If you want to use the VEPR, you may want to give him a call.

Unless you just want something chambered for 7.62x54R, the SCAR-17S is a better long range semi-auto rifle and the VEPR rifles can be had for less than half the price of a SCAR-17S if you want a Russian rifle.

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I would go with a NDM in 7.62x51.

http://tucson.backpage.com/SportsEquipForSale/4250-norinco-ndm-86-dragunov-762x51-nato-308-winchester/26317052

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If you buy an SVD do not shoot brass cased ammunition in it. The Russian issued manual on the SVD prohibits the the use of brass cased ammunition, steel cased only is to be used. I have seen 2 SVD' taken apart by 2 shooters in my circle 1 using Norma the other using Pri Partisan. THe 7.62X51 NDM does not have this problem just make sure to use NATO surplus or other military surplus with mil spec primers of use CCI #34 mil spec primers if you hand load to prevent the possibility of slam fires.
I own 2 NDM 86 SVD's 1 in 7.62X54R and 1 in 7.62X51 as well as a Cuigar PSL 54C. The 7.62X54R SVD is a bit more accurate than the PSL but the 7.62X51 is substantially more accurate than either. Especially with hand loads.

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