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Old 12-15-2010, 03:09 PM   #11
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The custom actions I've found are crazy expensive and I cannot for the life of me find a pre-1964 Winchester.
There is a very good reason for both those findings. They are heavily sought after for people wanting to do a full on custom build.





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What about a Win Model 70 dated 1972?
You aren't achieving the desired effect, so you may as well buy a newer, CNC driven factory action and have it blue printed. I like the Howa 1500 for this route. Although to be fair, they are made in Japan and imported. Weatherby's Vanguard line is almost the same action with just a couple of subtle changes.

The Pre-'64 models had the Mauser style claw extractor. Hell built for stout, especially in dirty and battlefield like conditions. In addition, the action was thick, solid and heavy with a built in recoil lug, so hanging a full length bull barrel off the end of it ( for shooting in competition these days and not a thin barrel for a hunting edition ) is not a problem. The three position safety is a huge plus. With the weapon on safe, you can load and unload the rifle, along with strip the bolt down and remove the firing pin should failure occur.

It's been called 'The Rifleman's Action' for a reason. It was also the rifle that Chuck Mawhinney, Carlos Hathcock and "Murder Inc." used to wreck havoc all over the Delta, so that no doubt adds to some of the mystique.

My first build is on a pre-64' short action for my .308 that is getting re-barreled now and it's a monster. Sub moa all the way out to 500 which is about as far as I have pushed it, and myself, in good enough conditions to be able to talk about it intelligently.

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Here is a savage build I priced out.

Action Savage RB/LP..........$499.95
Barrel Shilen 6dasher..............$449.00
Stock McMillan F-class...........$498.00
Replacement trigger 4oz......$146.00
Badger 20moa Picatinny......$149.99
Badger 30mm high.............$159.99

Total so far $1902.93 Plus Shipping and smithing fees.

Then add a scope
Either a
Leupold Mark 4 LR/T Riflescopes 8.5-25x50mm for $1399.99
NightForce 12-42x56mm NXS with NP-2dd...........$1885.00
Using your figures you are looking at close to $4,000.00 for a rifle and scope combination that is basically a gussied up Savage. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but do you think this rifle will perform any better than an out of the box 12F/TR? And if it does, by how much? My point is Savage box stock rifles have been doing a hell of a job winning F Class matches. My 12F/TR is one of the best shooting rifles I own, and it was just over a grand out the door. If you are hell bent for leather going the custom build route, I would explore a different avenue where your money will buy you more. Custom rifle shooters rarely put accuracy in inches to money, much like drag races translate E.T's from dollars spent in a given class. They need to start doing that. The factory avaliable stock rifles are quickly catching up to the customs.

Another thing is handloading and shooting ability. This is much like driving skill. Much like Michael Schumacher could out drive most anyone in a stock Corvette on a tricky road course. A good handloader could out load, and in most cases out shoot, a layman with an expensive custom. Don't buy more rifle than you can load and shoot with. Just saying. This is my box stock Kimber 8400 Police Tactical in .300 Win. Mag. with a Bushnell 3200 Elite Tactical 5-15 X, and my Savage 12F/TR in .308 with the same scope. I've beaten out a lot of customs with this combination of iron and glass at ranges out to, and beyond 1,000 yards. Bill T.

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Lat time I looked I can't get an F-TR in 6 Dasher. Nor does it come with a McMillan F-TR stock.

I have been shooting custom rifles since I started shooting.

Did I say it would perform better? No I didn't.

As far as handloading ability I would say I am good to go in that area as I am loading for rifles and getting some nice small groups out of them.

As for shooting ability Think I am good to go in that area as well.

I am cheap I don't like wasting money shooting at ground hogs more than once. That is why I hit 98% of the time.
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Lat time I looked I can't get an F-TR in 6 Dasher. Nor does it come with a McMillan F-TR stock.

I have been shooting custom rifles since I started shooting.

Did I say it would perform better? No I didn't.

As far as handloading ability I would say I am good to go in that area as I am loading for rifles and getting some nice small groups out of them.

As for shooting ability Think I am good to go in that area as well.

I am cheap I don't like wasting money shooting at ground hogs more than once. That is why I hit 98% of the time.
Sounds good. Please post some groups when you get 'er done. We'll all be anxious to see. Good luck with your project! Bill T.

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Bill you missed the point of my post.

It was to show that using a factory action didn't significantly cut the cost of building a gun. So really if you just went with a custom action you are going to spend only a little bit more.

Shoot for $3k you can have Kelbly's build you a very nice highly accurate rifle.

Shoot you can get an Atlas built by Kelbly for $2800 out the door.

Shoot If you want to build a Rem 700 rifle you would be better off buying a $900 Stiller Predator over spending $500 on a Remington 700 and $700 to get it blueprinted. Or spend even more and have the 700 action sleeved.

I have a rem 700 and will in a few years chuck the factory junk barrel for a kreiger SS barrel in 223 AI.

If you simply must have a Controlled feed rifle Look for a sporterized 1903 springer or a 1917 enfield if you want an action that is big built like a tank and can handle anything from a 505 Gibbs to a 222 a 1917 will do it.
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There's another option for controlled round feed-Ruger M77. Sure you'll have to blueprint it but so will you on Mauser, Springfield, or Enfield. The advantages of having Ruger is it's already milled for rings, bolt is compatible with scope, and so is the safety.
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Bear everyone knows Rugers aren't accurate to begin with.....
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We're talking actions-not whole rifles,they can easily be made accurate with a good blueprinting & barrel/stock.
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I forgot trigger too.
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I wish I still had my Ruger M77VT in 220 swift That thing laser accurate with a timney trigger that broke like glass at about 6 oz.

I killed one of them commie ass liberal CA ground squirrels at 497 yards with a 55gr Nosler BT.
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