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Old 01-22-2014, 12:16 PM   #11
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I'm also not a brand fan I haven't shot the other two guns so I have no information on them I would find out as much as you can about all three wether it be on this forum or another or youtube reviews there are some good quality reviews out there

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Sorry John deer if that come off rude didn't mean it that way. I just didn't want squawk thinking I was giving him foggy information because I didn't personally own that firearm.
There is no offense taken. The OP might really be a little confused. In one breath he wants to shoot 1,000 yards. In the next breath he wants a short barrel. To make a 1,000 yard shot you need that extra 200 fps that a 24" barrel gives the shooter.
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Ya that's what I said in my first post because I think he likes the look of it being short. I told him he would need the extra inches.

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There is no offense taken. The OP might really be a little confused. In one breath he wants to shoot 1,000 yards. In the next breath he wants a short barrel. To make a 1,000 yard shot you need that extra 200 fps that a 24" barrel gives the shooter.
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A 16 18 or 20 is only good to about 800-900yards before it goes subsonic under most conditions. 24 will just BARELY get a scootch over 1000. If you want a 1000 yard gun you really need a different caliber.

Other than the range. The slower a round goes the more time the wind has to monkey with the trajectory and the 308 past 600 yards isn't going very fast so there is a lot of time for the wind to push it around.
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I think you got the best of the bunch on your list. I have tested them all in 223, except the FP in 308 also. From a practical standpoint, it is a toss up. You can reach out to 1000 yards. I did not try, because it is a lot of work, these are heavy carbines but too small for long range with a touchy many-x scope. I mean you have to time your heartbeats, let alone your breathing.

Triggers - the AccuTrigger vs Mark X = toss up for me. Try both if you can. My go to is a 700 today. Safety - I like Savagr top slider vs Remi lever. Can't remember how the stocks compare, but it is a small deal, both brands have many drop in variants, esp the Remys. That's all I can think of right now.

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What's the planned usage here?

While .308 isn't an optimal 1000 yard caliber ballistically,

with the proper weight bullet and load, it reaches out beyond

600 yards just fine.

Is this for hunting, or target competitions in the desert, or what?

I'm usually a little reluctant to jump into a new caliber, without

good cause. What caliber are you shooting now?

.223/5.56

But it's mostly for plinking/fun. Want something for more serious target shooting. And as I said, I have access to .308 reloads.
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A 16 18 or 20 is only good to about 800-900yards before it goes subsonic under most conditions. 24 will just BARELY get a scootch over 1000. If you want a 1000 yard gun you really need a different caliber.



Other than the range. The slower a round goes the more time the wind has to monkey with the trajectory and the 308 past 600 yards isn't going very fast so there is a lot of time for the wind to push it around.

I realize it would be pushing it to shoot any of these rifles out to 1000 yards. Truth be told, I would mostly be shooting at 400 yards or less. Once in a while out to 600 or 700 yards. I recently found a range in Kentucky about an hour and a half from my house that has a 1000 yard range. I would be shooting there 3-4 times a year.

I know other calibers are better suited for 1000 yard shooting (300 win mag, 338 lapua, etc.) but I'm moving up to .308 from .223 because it seems like the logical next step and I have access to a .308 reloading bench. Trying to keep cost of ammo down to minimum. More money for glass and rifle upgrades.
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[QUO TE=Mercator;1488708]I think you got the best of the bunch on your list. I have tested them all in 223, except the FP in 308 also. From a practical standpoint, it is a toss up. You can reach out to 1000 yards. I did not try, because it is a lot of work, these are heavy carbines but too small for long range with a touchy many-x scope. I mean you have to time your heartbeats, let alone your breathing.

Triggers - the AccuTrigger vs Mark X = toss up for me. Try both if you can. My go to is a 700 today. Safety - I like Savagr top slider vs Remi lever. Can't remember how the stocks compare, but it is a small deal, both brands have many drop in variants, esp the Remys. That's all I can think of right now.[/QUOTE]

Id be getting a mil dot scope. Would like to learn range finding, and MOA adjustment. Trying to learn more about Kentucky windage and other environmental effects on ballistics.
Would mostly shoot 175 gr Sierra Matchking bullets.

I don't want to say I've learned all I can about 223 but this round was designed for less distance than I want to shoot at.
1000 yard shots are a pipedream for me. More than likely, most shooting will be done at 500-750 yards.

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I had my .308 rifle decision boiled down to 2 guns. The Rem 700 AAC and a Savage Hog Hunter. Very similar in concept. 20" heavy barrels, threaded muzzles, adjustable triggers.

What made the decision for me was holding each one at my lgs. The balance, fit, finish and feel of the guns were night and day. I came home with the Remington even though it was $275.00 more.

The savage models you are comparing are probably very different from the HH, but shoulder them before you make your decision. Savage 10's and Remington 700's are both good shooter's out of the box. Pick the one that feels best to you.

I'm completely satisfied with my Remington.imageuploadedbyfirearms-talk1390431030.994275.jpg

50 yds 5 shots factory ammo
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Let us know what you choose.

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.223/5.56

But it's mostly for plinking/fun. Want something for more serious target shooting. And as I said, I have access to .308 reloads.
I like .223/5.56. A 5.56 barreled rifle has the utility of both rounds,

much like a .308/7.62X51. One must assume you are doing fairly well

at closer ranges, and are looking to .308 to reach out. I have to agree

perhaps you may be seeking the longer barreled rifle, for the additional

MV.

Access to reloads in the proper caliber is nothing to sneeze at.
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