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Old 01-29-2013, 12:14 PM   #11
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I have a CZ American and it has a 1:12 twist. It is the only thing I dont like about the rifle. It tolerates 55 grains @ 1 moa but shines with 45 grains @ .5 moa. Get a 1:9 twist. I bought my grandson a Savage 10 package and he was shooting 1 moa with 55 grain hand loads his 1st trip out. My SIL and I were able to get sub moa with the Savage. The Vanguard has a 1:12. An interesting rifle is the Mossberg MVP. It is the only bolt I have found that is factory chambered for the 5.56x45 and it uses AR mags. It comes in 3 barrel lengths (18.5", 20", 24") and runs about $500 on line if you can find one. I want one with a 20" barrel and it is a 1:9 twist.

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Maybe look into this also. http://www.ruger.com/products/mini14RanchRifle/models.html , I like these and they have been around for some time. Do some research on the twist, it appear 1:9. Don't own one...yet

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Wow, there have been a lot of great replies! I think the general consensus is that it isn't a bad idea. I'll keep the barrel twist in mind when it is time to purchase. I suppose I can add a little. I've never pointed a gun at anything living, well, other than the occasional plant, and while I'd like to learn to hunt one day soon, it isn't exactly on the schedule. We shoot paper targets, in the past I shot many many paper targets, and now that I've picked it up again, I plan to shot many many more paper targets, and now that I have been learning more, maybe there will be steel targets down the road. I figure if I learn about hunting and decide that is for me, I have the .308 for larger game and the .223 would work for the little critters.

Addressing some of the specific posts. I'm not really interested in .17hmr or .22wmr at this time. I want to stick to the 3 rifle cartridges that I already use and have on hand. On the mini-14 ranch rifle, I have one of those on my future list. Although there is a semi-automatic .223/5.56 in the gun cabinet, there is something about the mini-14 I like when it comes to the boys, because, well, they are impressionable and it just doesn't look as cool as other semi-automatic .223 rifles if you know what I mean. Some of the rifles mentioned seem a bit out of the budget. I didn't give a number but I'm thinking something less than $500 including the scope. I suppose I could reconsider, but if I'm going to break that number I'll probably go with another Remington 700 because it is what I know, and I know I like it.

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Wow, there have been a lot of great replies! I think the general consensus is that it isn't a bad idea. I'll keep the barrel twist in mind when it is time to purchase. I suppose I can add a little. I've never pointed a gun at anything living, well, other than the occasional plant, and while I'd like to learn to hunt one day soon, it isn't exactly on the schedule. We shoot paper targets, in the past I shot many many paper targets, and now that I've picked it up again, I plan to shot many many more paper targets, and now that I have been learning more, maybe there will be steel targets down the road. I figure if I learn about hunting and decide that is for me, I have the .308 for larger game and the .223 would work for the little critters.

Addressing some of the specific posts. I'm not really interested in .17hmr or .22wmr at this time. I want to stick to the 3 rifle cartridges that I already use and have on hand. On the mini-14 ranch rifle, I have one of those on my future list. Although there is a semi-automatic .223/5.56 in the gun cabinet, there is something about the mini-14 I like when it comes to the boys, because, well, they are impressionable and it just doesn't look as cool as other semi-automatic .223 rifles if you know what I mean. Some of the rifles mentioned seem a bit out of the budget. I didn't give a number but I'm thinking something less than $500 including the scope. I suppose I could reconsider, but if I'm going to break that number I'll probably go with another Remington 700 because it is what I know, and I know I like it.

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I think if you want to spend less than $500 go with the savage axis I paid $429 for mine (.308) with a scope already mounted on it.
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Joe,

I spent so much time rambling, I forgot to mention the most important part; My son can't get enough of the .223! It was the perfect step up for him, and to be honest I'm sure he would have been ready for it even a year or two earlier.

Now that you've mentioned a $500 budget and your affection for those Remingtons, I'd almost recommend you save up and buy the gun you know you want, that Model 700. Your boys might have to grow into a gun, but they'll never grow out of one!

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The stickies in the AR forum have a bunch of good info on that very question
Thank you, TNARG. I was throwing the question out there as a soft ball so the answer could be on this thread as an extra resource.

I might as well hit this query out of the park. 1:9" barrel twist can eat anything from 55 grains to 69 grains. Depending on your particular barrel, one could probably stretch those numbers out at each end.
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The tikka T3 is hard to beat for the money. Adjustable trigger and factory free floated barrels. If I'm not mistaking they also guarantee 1 inch or under out ofthe box accuracy. I ordered mine from a gun dealer for right around five hundred bucks. These were 69 gr SBK test loads with 3 different powder weights. It will shoot 55 gr v-max's as well if not better. I couldn't be more pleased with a 500 dollar rifle. Mine has a 1-8 twist barrel.





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I mean. Some of the rifles mentioned seem a bit out of the budget. I didn't give a number but I'm thinking something less than $500 including the scope. I suppose I could reconsider, but if I'm going to break that number I'll probably go with another Remington 700 because it is what I know, and I know I like it.

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Spend the $500 on the rifle ans start saving for the scope.
Use the iron sights unril you can afford a decent scope.

Any scope that you can pick up for less than $300 probably isn't worth bringing home. There are many scopes suitable for .223 that you can get in the $400-$500 range that are excellent.
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just a thought....but i'm leaning against the 223 caliber in general these days, unless you are a handloader, shortages are common.

you might consider other common hunting calibers like 22-250. 243, etc.

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just a thought....but i'm leaning against the 223 caliber in general these days, unless you are a handloader, shortages are common.

you might consider other common hunting calibers like 22-250. 243, etc.
Handloading is something I wouldn't mind learning, but when I first looked into it, I found that it wasn't a big money saver, at least not over the cheap ammunition I tend to buy, and that it is a very time consuming process.

I considered other calibers, there are many to choose from, but I figured that standardizing on fewer cartridge types would be better in the long run. .22LR, .223REM, and .308WIN. I'm also considering a semi-automatic carbine for pistol cartridges as well, assuming that they aren't all banned later.

Maybe this type of standardization is misguided on my part. It isn't a new idea for me, but right now, I don't actually practice it, every one of my firearms currently uses a different cartridge. I'd also like to add a .308 semi-automatic sometime down the road.
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