[Firearms4ever]

I'm with Trip on this. I would get the Mosin Nagant, because they're cheap, a hoot to shoot, and very historical. Not to mention that in my opinion it's a good idea to go ahead and pick one up, and stock up on ammunition for it before they become harder to come by.

[jpattersonnh]

Originally Posted by PatrickHarrison

Id say the axis .308 the cartridge is universal there not as good as 111 but still Savage all the way!! The mosin nagant m91/30 is what ive got o boy i love it 7.62X54R ammo is cheap n affordable the 150 grain monarch 5 moa at a hundred yards on a bad day n 2.5 moa at 100 on a good day. I wouldnt mind havein a old 8mm mauser to put a ati stock on it love the cartridge several a critter haven fallen to it from my dad.

Pure sacrilege! A few issues w/ that fugly stock! 1st off it is butt ugly. Second the scope attaches to the stock, not the receiver, so accuracy can't be good as plastic is not as strong as steel. Try 180gr in your 91/30, you'll see a great improvement in accuracy.

[trip286]

Originally Posted by sagenodland

I was talking about the axis

Ah well, the same still applies.

[purehavoc]

I own a axis in .223 as I wanted a cheap plinker that would reach out for coyotes also.
My bolt is smooth as butter from day one , my only complaint was the heavy trigger pull @ 6.53# which after a little polishing and new spring all done by myself in about 30 minutes is at 3.12# . Love the gun , super accurate and resonably priced .
Some guys complain about the flimsy stock ? Im not sure what there talking about its poly and its going to have some give but its not as bad as I have read about . My next one will be in a .308 and it will probably be another axis unless there is a better deal than it . You wont regret buying one , is uses the same barrels at there other high end rifles . but dont buy the scope package they offer , its not a great scope and you can use that $60 towards a nice 6-24X40 for another $40-$50 .
and the 3-9X40 it comes with isnt enough scope anyway . I bought a NIB Bushnell banner 6-24X40 for $109 shipped and its been a great scope so far , no complaints but I needed something to get me out to 300+ yards

[Sniper03]

Sage,

The good news is that you can shoot the Savage in 308 at 600 yards with no problem. You will need to learn a little bit about reading the wind. And time to put your dope together! Not talking about Dope Dope! What I am talking about is noting your adjustments for trajectory for the bullet you are shooting even to the specific *Lot Number matched to your rifle. When you get ready I can give you or anyone a rough Idea on MOA adjustments with the Federal 168gr 308M HPBT Ammunition which we shot for years on the team and have shot out to 1000 yards. Of course once again it depends upon the specific rifle used, barrel length and all. Even identical rifles will perform differently! You have to work on it for YOUR Rifle. At the longer ranges there are other factors to consider. Light, temperature, humidity and certainly as mentioned Wind! Good Luck on your Christmas List sounds great to me! Merry Christmas from us here in Tennessee to all our friends on the FTF! BUY GOOD GLASS~ (SCOPE!)

03

[PatrickHarrison]

Originally Posted by jpattersonnh

Pure sacrilege! A few issues w/ that fugly stock! 1st off it is butt ugly. Second the scope attaches to the stock, not the receiver, so accuracy can't be good as plastic is not as strong as steel. Try 180gr in your 91/30, you'll see a great improvement in accuracy.

Well mister its very interesting to me and eye catching and yes i know the scopes on the stock not rifle/metal id get one just to see if accuracy was affected and how the rifle performed and fitted to me .
180 grains alrite i have them but the round for the gun was i beleive 147 grain so the 150 was what i chose to get as close as possible.

[therewolf]

I've got a Henry lever .22, great little rifle, lots of fun.

I also have a couple Mosins. Kind of like Lays potato

chips, can't eat just one...

I'd get the Henry (or another .22LR rifle) first. Fun for the

whole family.

[jpattersonnh]

Originally Posted by PatrickHarrison

Well mister its very interesting to me and eye catching and yes i know the scopes on the stock not rifle/metal id get one just to see if accuracy was affected and how the rifle performed and fitted to me .
180 grains alrite i have them but the round for the gun was i beleive 147 grain so the 150 was what i chose to get as close as possible.

The Soviets copied the Germans. When Germany went to a 147gr, the soviets thought, Hmm must be better! Not really. Yugo heavy ball 180gr will out shoot any 147..152gr light ball. With hunting loads, there is a reason Russian made hunting ammo with a 203gr bullet. It is very accurate and hits like the hammer of Thor. Both Light and heavy ball were used since the 1920's.

Bullet Designations (immediately following caliber on crates and tins, see pictures below)
Designation Transliteration Meaning Color Code Production Years (approximate)
Л L Light ball (lead core) none 1910-1954
Д D Long range (heavy ball lead core) yellow tip 1930-1953
ЛПС LPS Light ball steel core silver tip/none 1953-1991
Б-30 B-30 Armor Piercing with 1930 bullet black tip 1930-1941
Б-32 B-32 Armor Piercing (Incendiary) with 1932 bullet black over red tip 1932-1969
Б-32М B-32M Armor Piercing (Incendiary) with modernized 1932 bullet black over red tip 1955-current
БС-40 BS-40 Armor Piercing (Incendiary) with 1940 bullet black tip over red bullet 1940-1941
БТ BT Armor Piercing Tracer purple tip 1932-1937
БТ-90 BT-90 Armor Piercing Tracer green tip 1998-current
БЗТ BZT Armor Piercing Incendiary Tracer purple over red tip 1935-1940
ЗБ-46 ZB-46 Armor Piercing Incendiary Tracer purple over red tip WWII?
ПЗ PZ Incendiary Different designations
for essentially the same bullet red tip 1935-current
ЗП ZP Incendiary red tip 1935-current
З Z Incendiary red tip 1935-current
Т-30 T-30 Tracer with 1930 bullet green tip 1930-1938
Т-46 T-46 Tracer with factory #46 bullet green tip 1938-1974
T-46M T-46M Tracer with modernized factory #46 bullet green tip 1974-1995
T-46M1 T-46M1 Tracer with modernized factory #46 bullet green tip 1995-current
СН ПС SN PS Sniper (early 7N1 mark) none 1967-1999
ПС PS Sniper (late 7N1 mark) none 1967-1999
СНБ SNB Sniper/Armor Piercing (7N14 mark) none 1999-current
УЗ UZ "Heavy Charge" proof load black bullet 1970s-current
ВД BD "High Pressure" proof load yellow bullet 1970s-current
УС US Reduced Velocity green bullet 1939-1941
Ц Ts Match ? 1954-1992
УЧ UCh Training ? 1950s-current
ПП PP Penetrating none, green case 1993-current
БП BP Armor Piercing black tip? 1999-current
СТ-М2 ST-M2 Light ball steel core none 1988-current
X Kh Blank not applicable 1926-current

[HOSSFLY]

Originally Posted by sagenodland

Right now i got i wish list for a few rifles this is kind of a rifle i can count on and will be the first ill grab
1. Henry lever action. 22
2. Savage axis. 308
3. Moisin nagant
I want the savage for 600 yard shots maybe? But i want the henry for the ease and cheapness of the ammo but i want the mosin for the power and cheapness of ammo
What one would you chose?

I have a Henry -
I've been thinking about a Mosin for sum time so i'd pic it- For $100 how can you lose

[PatrickHarrison]

Originally Posted by jpattersonnh

The Soviets copied the Germans. When Germany went to a 147gr, the soviets thought, Hmm must be better! Not really. Yugo heavy ball 180gr will out shoot any 147..152gr light ball. With hunting loads, there is a reason Russian made hunting ammo with a 203gr bullet. It is very accurate and hits like the hammer of Thor. Both Light and heavy ball were used since the 1920's.

Bullet Designations (immediately following caliber on crates and tins, see pictures below)
Designation Transliteration Meaning Color Code Production Years (approximate)
Л L Light ball (lead core) none 1910-1954
Д D Long range (heavy ball lead core) yellow tip 1930-1953
ЛПС LPS Light ball steel core silver tip/none 1953-1991
Б-30 B-30 Armor Piercing with 1930 bullet black tip 1930-1941
Б-32 B-32 Armor Piercing (Incendiary) with 1932 bullet black over red tip 1932-1969
Б-32М B-32M Armor Piercing (Incendiary) with modernized 1932 bullet black over red tip 1955-current
БС-40 BS-40 Armor Piercing (Incendiary) with 1940 bullet black tip over red bullet 1940-1941
БТ BT Armor Piercing Tracer purple tip 1932-1937
БТ-90 BT-90 Armor Piercing Tracer green tip 1998-current
БЗТ BZT Armor Piercing Incendiary Tracer purple over red tip 1935-1940
ЗБ-46 ZB-46 Armor Piercing Incendiary Tracer purple over red tip WWII?
ПЗ PZ Incendiary Different designations
for essentially the same bullet red tip 1935-current
ЗП ZP Incendiary red tip 1935-current
З Z Incendiary red tip 1935-current
Т-30 T-30 Tracer with 1930 bullet green tip 1930-1938
Т-46 T-46 Tracer with factory #46 bullet green tip 1938-1974
T-46M T-46M Tracer with modernized factory #46 bullet green tip 1974-1995
T-46M1 T-46M1 Tracer with modernized factory #46 bullet green tip 1995-current
СН ПС SN PS Sniper (early 7N1 mark) none 1967-1999
ПС PS Sniper (late 7N1 mark) none 1967-1999
СНБ SNB Sniper/Armor Piercing (7N14 mark) none 1999-current
УЗ UZ "Heavy Charge" proof load black bullet 1970s-current
ВД BD "High Pressure" proof load yellow bullet 1970s-current
УС US Reduced Velocity green bullet 1939-1941
Ц Ts Match ? 1954-1992
УЧ UCh Training ? 1950s-current
ПП PP Penetrating none, green case 1993-current
БП BP Armor Piercing black tip? 1999-current
СТ-М2 ST-M2 Light ball steel core none 1988-current
X Kh Blank not applicable 1926-current

Well hell mister i apprashoot the info you went thru some trouble typin this ill copy it ty