c3shooter--I love your sense of humor--I'm glad to find a forum where ridiculus can be applied and retorts can be said without anyone getting "upset". I hope you found the humor in what I posted--I was serious about the .25-308 tho, I just didn't know what was out there. I always figure if it can be thought of, it probably already has. I do hope the 12ga isn't in the works to be produced. That would be way overkill for mouse hunting. Heeee-Heeee.