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Old 10-05-2013, 12:51 AM   #11
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What about going to the range? Is there any issues with that? I mean those lanes are small! I'm not making fun I'm serious. I mean I'm sure there are plenty of outdoor ranges so maybe you can do that. But what about the winter?!?
Typical claustrophobia normally freaks out people due to being surrounded on all sides by a wall. A firing range only has a small roof overhead, I would think than an open range with only a roof over head would not hinder the person I am asking about.
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if i'm not mistaken, the 4473 Form has to be filled with the FFl dealer present. where it's filled out is irrelevent. lots of FFL dealers sell from gun shows, out of their homes and of course a gun store.

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pho•bi•a*(ˈfoʊ bi ə)*n.,*pl.*-bi•as.a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

If the person can't handle going into the store to buy the gun they probably shouldn't own it.
I really don't see the relation between being warded off by small spaces, and not being able to handle a firearm safely, consciously, and effectively.
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To answer the question- the sale must take place ON THE PREMISES of the licensed dealer, or at a gun show in the home state of the licensed dealer.

Does not say inside the building. Best bet would be to visit the dealer, explain problem. Dealer CAN handle the process on the hood of a car in his parking lot.

There is also a RARELY used process of making a sale to a person that cannot appear at the premises. Uses a different version of the 4473, requires written notice to Chief LEO, 7 day wait, and MOST dealers have never heard of it- rare outside of places like Alaska.

HOWEVER- the Dealer DOES have the right to decline to make a sale. IF the Dealer decides on their own *This guy sounds like a wacko- I am not selling to him.* he has that privilege.

Sorry- it is what it is.

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To answer the question- the sale must take place ON THE PREMISES of the licensed dealer, or at a gun show in the home state of the licensed dealer.

Does not say inside the building. Best bet would be to visit the dealer, explain problem. Dealer CAN handle the process on the hood of a car in his parking lot.

There is also a RARELY used process of making a sale to a person that cannot appear at the premises. Uses a different version of the 4473, requires written notice to Chief LEO, 7 day wait, and MOST dealers have never heard of it- rare outside of places like Alaska.

HOWEVER- the Dealer DOES have the right to decline to make a sale. IF the Dealer decides on their own *This guy sounds like a wacko- I am not selling to him.* he has that privilege.

Sorry- it is what it is.
No need to be sorry, actually that information is very reassuring. I do not think there would be any problem with my person coming off as unstable in any way, just claustrophobic.
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Kind of behavior? Claustrophobia is being afraid of enclosed spaces, I don't think there would be any non-legal issue.
With the onslaught of those looking to make us all look like we're nuts you don't see how an unusual behavior would not be an attention getter?

You can slice this any way you want but Claustrophobia is not what one can call a usual behavior.A FFL can see this "not normal behavior and say to themselves "Man I don't want to deal with it and not want to make the sale.

It has nothing t do with what is legal. It has to do with perception of the one selling the firearm. I've seen stores refuse a sale cause a guy looked like an Uber Stoner with long hair and rock star way of dress. because there was (in the dealers opinion) no way he could be telling the truth about not being a drug user/abuser (they do ask about that on the form). I happened to know the guy and he was not a drug user/abuser. He is a musician that played in bands that did the bar circuits though.

I'm not making judgement about whomever is wanting to make a sale in this manner you speak of. a phobia is not anything to laugh at. But perception is what it is. And if the dealer gets in in his head there's a problem he/she will not want to make the sale. It's that simple.
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I don't know your location, but another possibility is going to one of the larger sporting goods retailers like Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops, etc., or a roomier LGS. If he/she gets claustrophobic in one of these, all bets are off.

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As a FFL, I would have quite possibly declined this person. Reason? Most people have an agenda, and the verbal reasons people give, are often times not the real truth. Not saying your friend is a trickster, but it would set off my internal alarm. I would not walk away, I would run away. Just me.

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There are face to face options, too, often in a public place like a big parking lot. Depending on your state's view of person to person sales. You'd likely get a used gun but there is a lot of variety and no closed in spaces.

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