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Old 10-31-2014, 12:12 PM   #1
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I posted something up in the ammo subforum and haven't had many people even look at it there so I thought I'd bring it here. I have a Rossi 92 in 357 with a 20" barrel. I put a little 2.5x pistol scope up in front of the receiver and its a great little shooter. I've got federal fusions that shoot decent, federal 158 grain sjsp that shoot recent (and have killed deer for me) and now I have a box of the bb 180 grain and was curious to have some first hand experience, and if not any first hand, maybe some good guesses from more educated people than myself? I'm wondering if the bullet, traveling out of my barrel at 1850-1950 feet per second will deform any at all after hitting bone or just the chest cavity and maybe a few ribs
I think penetration will be just fine, I'm just mainly worried about getting enough energy on target. None of my shots are going to be over 75 yards. I'm just worried the hard cast 180 grainer will just zip thru so fast that not enough energy will be transfered to the chest cavity or the CNS to cause a quick and humane kill on small to medium size whitetail deer. Any help will be appreciated. I am going to do the wet phone book test at some point this weekend to calm my nerve about using them. Anyone with any info that could speak up would be of great help!

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Old 10-31-2014, 12:41 PM   #2
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You have to buy a lot of ammunition to justify the shipping. I have never ordered from them.

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I bought mine at cabelas. It was my birthday present to me from me. :-)

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The 357 will take deer but you have to be very picky about shot selection. A 357 mag from a carbine has about the same energy as a 223. Speed kills so the hotter light bullets will be your best bets. Fiocchi 125 gr JSP ammo would really rock in a carbine. Fiocchi 125 gr jsp ammo has a velocity of 1,700 fps from my Ruger Blackhawk with a 6.5" barrel. Your carbine will have a velocity of around 2,200 fps with a hot 125 gr jsp. You want to use heavy cast bullets for penetration on larger game. Not that a 357 mag carbine is an ideal black bear rifle but it beats throwing rocks or a handgun. You really need to do some testing. You want to use the lightest bullet that will stay together at carbine speed. You can test the bullet by shooting a heart pine 2x6 or larger board with some water jugs behind the board to catch the bullet. I would avoid using hollow point ammo. Most hollow points are going to fragment from a carbine. Speer uses a watered down load for their 357 gold dots because the hollow point will not stay together with a hot load.
Here is some data to get you started.
http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html
http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/megraphs/357mag.html

Hornady has their leverevolution ammo. In 357 mag it is a 140gr ballistic tip bullet. You should get good velocity from your carbine with Hornady ammo. I saw a Gelatin test were some idiot was shooting Leverevolution ammo from his 2" revolver. He considered the ammo to be an epic fail. The name on the package doesn't suggest that Leverevolution ammo is the best ammo for your snub nose revolver. He was getting 1,200 fps from his snub nose.

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Casey, looking over the ballistics of the Buffalo Bore 180 gr ammo, i don't see it being not able to humanely take deer at even 100 yards with the velocity and energy it has. out of your rifle, it even exceeds the energy of a 44 magnum from a pistol at the same distances, with a heavier bullet.

at 100 yards or less, it has plenty of energy to break bones if it hits them. i have no doubt this ammo will take any deer at reasonable distances if you hit with a well placed shot. given the energy figures they are giving on this load, even a shoulder shot at 100 yards or less should take that deer to the ground rather quickly.

here are the ballistics tables i found from Buffalo Bore on that load.

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=100

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I came across this product from Underwood. Underwood ammo offers similar performance at a much better price.

http://www.underwoodammo.com/357magnum180grainlfngcboxof50.aspx

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I came across this product from Underwood. Underwood ammo offers similar performance at a much better price.

http://www.underwoodammo.com/357magnum180grainlfngcboxof50.aspx
I seen those the other day!!!! I'm going to try them out. Its hard to find 180 grain bullets and really hard to find them cheap. Even if they're slower, they will do fine inside 100 yards I'd say!
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Here is a video of the Hornady Leverevolution 140 gr fired from a rifle. The same guy who thought Leverevolution was pistol ammo. I don't know about that guy. The name of the ammo would indicate rifle or long barrel pistol.

http://youtu.be/WDZFwOk9nRU

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I really expected the leverevolution ammo to have a bit more velocity than 1390s...

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I really expected the leverevolution ammo to have a bit more velocity than 1390s...
I didn't notice the velocity. If the velocity is under 1,400 fps Leverevolution will have a rainbow trajectory. The velocity is probably that low due to the bullet design. Maybe in the near future Hornady will make an SST bullet for the 357 mag. Rossi is selling a lot of M92 carbines.

I am interested in a Rossi but I would like to shoot one before I buy a Rossi carbine. Lots of my friends have 357 mag pistols. Someone I know will buy a Rossi. Rossi firearms are really hit and miss. Rossi 38spl revolvers are very accurate and sweet to shoot, despite the lock up sounding like trampoline springs.
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