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Old 10-16-2012, 03:25 PM   #11
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Next shooting urban legend: cryo-treating your barrel will tighten your groups and keep your barrel from shifting as it heats up. True or false?

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If you want a shiny bore so you can take pictures of it to post on the Internet I would highly recommend the procedure.
Still butthurt from me schooling you on this issue... Good!
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I just built a precision ar15 with a barrel from krieger. Their ritual was 1 shot clean five times then 3 shots clean then 5 shots clean. And done. They state its not to do anything rifling wise but to smooth out the reamer burrs so the metal all lays flat without gunk building up.

They state that if you do this on their barrels it makes cleaning easier and helps hold accuracy longer without as much gunk building up.

I must say after following their ritual my krieger takes no time to clean. Much easier.

Whatever gun you have only run brushes patches etc one way. From breach to muzzle. Never scrub a barrel like your washing a bottle. Scrubbing back and forth is what ruins barrels. Just like sharpening a knife. You dont scrape a knife back and forth down a stone.

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All barrels are not created equal and all do not come from the factory smooth & polished, free from *^%# defects. See mini -14 section on lapping the barrel or loading special bullets to accomplish the same thing but you shoot your barrel smooth.

The concept is kinda old. Has anyone ever had an average shooting gun and it's this way for years - then it starts to shoot GREAT. You smoothed it out the old fashioned way - you shot it ! .

If your barrel IS already perfect - congrats - now keep it that way.

Competition shooters can be superstitious folk and I will leave it to the shooter to decide which "apply" to them & their routine. But if you spent the extra $$$ on a good barrel, why not spend the extra minute to run a snake down the barrel ? (Counts as a cleaning in my book)

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here's what I do for all my new gun/barrels. First use Hoppes #9 solvent with a Bronze brush 4 or 5 passes will do. Then a jag and a patch until clean. Next use a tight bore mop with JB Bore Paste 500 strokes. That's 250 in and 250 out. Clean up after with 1 dry patch. Hasn't failed me yet.

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I don't know what to believe. My factory manual and guys at the local range claim that you have to break in the barrel to get the best accuracy. Guys on this forum and some shooting journalists (Dave Petzel) say the break in requirement is nonsense.
I really wonder, at the end of the day, what difference it makes? Many rifles today are sub MOA "out of the box". I know plenty of shooters who agree, the "breaking in" thing is a bunch of hogwash - never ever did it and are satisfied with the results they attained. I won't bet the farm that it doesn't make a difference, but I strongly suspect that it does not.

You want great accuracy? Get a decent scope, know how to work it, and practice practice practice - give your barrel a good cleaning after every range trip. OR - swab your rifle 500 times if it makes you feel better. You'll be too tired to shoot afterwards, but hey lol
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Cosomoline or any metal preservative contains petroleum distillates. When you burn oil on steel it leaves carbon deposits in the pores of the metal. If you burn enough oil in the barrel of a rifle the carbon deposits will effect the accuracy of the rifle. So the gunsmith is on the right track...what he is prescribing might be overkill but it has merit. You should never oil the barrel of a rifle unless you plan to store it.

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IDK, Rem Oil seems like fairly volatile stuff. It's gone pretty quick. Or it seems that way. I agree you don't want grease in the bore, but some light oil cant hurt can it?

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IDK, Rem Oil seems like fairly volatile stuff. It's gone pretty quick. Or it seems that way. I agree you don't want grease in the bore, but some light oil cant hurt can it?
Have you ever seen burnt valve in an older V8 engine? The O-rings that seal the valve go bad. A small amount of oil drips down on the valve each time you shut off the engine. In short order carbon builds up on the valve until the valve fails to operate properly and the engine starts missing.

If you oil your barrel every time you come home from the range carbon builds up in your barrel in just the same fashion. The carbon build up isn't as fast because gun oil is much lighter than motor oil, but carbon is building up.
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Still butthurt from me schooling you on this issue... Good!
I'm not sure I understand the use of "butthurt" is that a reference to a childhood camping trip you had with an uncle?

As far as being "schooled" ...well frankly LOL.
I thought my post here was accurate, you have made it clear you are not saying there is an accuracy increase only that the rifle is easier to clean and to that end you have shown us your shiny bore. I stated that if this was the desired result then the process is good, doesn't this mean we agree ?
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