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Old 09-19-2013, 04:47 PM   #11
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I do plan on getting a 308 also hi wall but that's after the 223

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Primarily for range practice but eventually for hunting deer. I live in nor cal so they are small enough. Price wise up too 1000 including the glass
Less, for 1000 dollars you have a ton of options so take your time and shop around for the one you want.

I have a 223 and a 222 and am enjoying them both.
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$1000 will get you a lot of options. I love the .223 caliber (my AR shoots lights out), so flat and dependable. I know you CAN deer hunt with it but that .308 you want to get next is SO much more appropriate for taking deer (I would not deer hunt with my AR. I know people that do, but to me why use .223 when there are SO many other better choices out there? [many will disagree with this statement - but then again there are varying ideas out there of what a humane kill is as well]).

Not familiar with those N. California deer, here in the northern planes states our deer tend to be quite large, bucks commonly over 200 lbs dressed. That's large person size. Shot placement is key if you must hunt with .223, like I said would never do that here. You want to hunt deer anywhere in the US, my recommendation is .270 Winchester.

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A .223 would make a great range gun but as others have said it is marginal for deer, and the one you are looking at probably has a 1:12 rate of twist. As others pointed out that means it would probably shoot lighter bullets the best and that would make it even less desirable to have for deer.

If you plan to use this gun for deer and the range then go ahead and get a .243. The .243 is light on recoil and still fun to shoot at the range. It will also be much much better for deer, and you won't need to worry about the rate of twist in the barrel. Any off the shelf .243 would be fine. The only down side to the .243 is that the ammo isn't as cheap as .223 and you won't be able to get cheap surplus ammo, but with the rate of twist that barrel probably has you wouldn't be able to shoot surplus ammo very accurately anyway.

A know several people with .223 bolt actions and they are fun to shoot. They are great range guns but that's about it. They can be used for varmint like ground hogs and coyotes, but we don't have any ground hogs around here and not many people here hunt coyotes. We have tons of deer but I don't know anyone that would use a .223 for deer, and most of our deer aren't very big either - at least compared to deer in the midwest and the north.

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I recently got the advice to get a bolt in 223. I have never thought about getting a 223 in bolt because of the availability of ars. So 2 questions. 1. What are the basic bolt vs semi auto in 223, and 2 what are some good entrance to middling quality built rifles. As of now I own no 223s of any kind and when I was at the shop yesterday the salesman showed me a "great" option, a tikka for 650ish. Conveniently though it was the only bolt 223 in the building so was he just trying to sell a product or is that a good buy. Also advice on a good piece of glass would be greatly appreciated
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I've used several rifles for hunting that included mostly bolt actions. But I've become very partial to this Steyr Mannlicher Model M 7x57mm with Leupold scope. It's a very compact rifle and the round is extremely accurate and a pleasure to shoot.

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I've used several rifles for hunting that included mostly bolt actions. But I've become very partial to this Steyr Mannlicher Model M 7x57mm with Leupold scope. It's a very compact rifle and the round is extremely accurate and a pleasure to shoot.
Now that's a bolt action, and in my all time favorite caliber!!!!!
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The 223 is a very capable deer caliber providing you use the right bullet and keep it inside 200yrds. Me personally, I don't generally shoot deer past 100yrds and 150 max with my 223's. I would suggest at least a 1/9 twist bolt gun for deer hunting.

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I think a good all around bolt action rifle in .223 would be the Mossberg MPV. They have different styles and are highly accurate. Some come with good scopes and some come without scopes. Check them out before you buy.

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I think a good all around bolt action rifle in .223 would be the Mossberg MPV. They have different styles and are highly accurate. Some come with good scopes and some come without scopes. Check them out before you buy.
A handsome rifle without a doubt, and it takes AR mags. The downside is that it does not cycle smoothly. The bolt face is equipped with a hinged lower lip. It feels like hitting a bump when the next round is stripped from the mag.

Reason to buy a bolt action rifle? None is required. Any firearm can be a "want" gun, not a "need" gun. But bolt action does offer the advantage of honing practical accuracy and precision with minimal ammo expenditure. With a semi-auto, once you get it on target, it is always a struggle to keep your rate of fire down. Result - more ammo wasted, and the barrel heats up quicker.

A clear advantage of bolt action is in using a suppressor to its full potential.
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