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Lessdragon 09-19-2013 02:53 AM

I recently got the advice to get a bolt in 223. I have never thought about getting a 223 in bolt because of the availability of ars. So 2 questions. 1. What are the basic bolt vs semi auto in 223, and 2 what are some good entrance to middling quality built rifles. As of now I own no 223s of any kind and when I was at the shop yesterday the salesman showed me a "great" option, a tikka for 650ish. Conveniently though it was the only bolt 223 in the building so was he just trying to sell a product or is that a good buy. Also advice on a good piece of glass would be greatly appreciated

Anna_Purna 09-19-2013 03:07 AM

Tikkas are great guns.

I just bought me this a half a year ago or so, and have no regrets. It has become my foul weather gun not for fouls. Its a Weatherby Series 2. Was about 450.00

http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/...ps42525873.jpg

Try a big box store that has lots of brans and hold all of them, most make one in 223.

JonM 09-19-2013 03:21 AM

im not a fan of off the shlf bolt guns in 223. they are all 1-12 twist gopher guns.

they are designed for shooting varmints with 40-55 grain bullets.

if i was going to do a bolt gun in 223 i would opt for a 1-8 twist krieger barrel on a savage model10 action. it opens up longer ranges while being less susceptable to the wind.

im just of the opinion that the 223 is best left in the ar15 format

hiwall 09-19-2013 03:23 AM

Ruger, Savage, Marlin, Remington all make very inexpensive (like $300) bolt rifles. Most are more accurate than most shooters are.
I would wonder why you would want a 223 bolt gun?

Txhillbilly 09-19-2013 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lessdragon (Post 1376619)
I recently got the advice to get a bolt in 223. I have never thought about getting a 223 in bolt because of the availability of ars. So 2 questions. 1. What are the basic bolt vs semi auto in 223, and 2 what are some good entrance to middling quality built rifles. As of now I own no 223s of any kind and when I was at the shop yesterday the salesman showed me a "great" option, a tikka for 650ish. Conveniently though it was the only bolt 223 in the building so was he just trying to sell a product or is that a good buy. Also advice on a good piece of glass would be greatly appreciated

The Tikka T3 is an excellent rifle.

First off,What type of shooting do you plan on doing with it,and what type of budget do you have?

Depending on what your planned uses are,will depend on what style of rifle I'd suggest.
You will also want to get a rifle with the correct barrel twist rate,and in 223's there are several twist rates offered by different gun makers.
I prefer a 1-8 or 1-9 twist rate on my 223 caliber rifles,but they also come in 1-7 and 1-12 twist rates. The twist rate on the barrel will determine the bullet weight's that the rifle will stabilize/shoot best.
A 1-7 will shoot the heaviest bullets,and a 1-12 shoots lighter weight bullets. The 1-8/1-9 twist will shoot 45 grain up to 75 grain bullets,and are generally what most people choose.

In general,most bolt action rifles will shoot better groups than semi auto's,but that also depends on the weapon/bullets/shooter.
If you don't load your own ammo,most of the time a bolt action will out shoot a semi auto with factory ammo.

I shoot both,a Savage 12 FLVSS bolt action,and a Rock River 20" Varminter. The Savage will shoot circles around the Rock River any day of the week,but both shoot well under 1 MOA.

Optics will depend on the type of shooting your wanting to do,but I always buy the best that I can afford for any rifle I shoot. Cheap scopes are just that,Cheap Scopes!

Txhillbilly 09-19-2013 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JonM (Post 1376668)
im not a fan of off the shlf bolt guns in 223. they are all 1-12 twist gopher guns.

they are designed for shooting varmints with 40-55 grain bullets.

if i was going to do a bolt gun in 223 i would opt for a 1-8 twist krieger barrel on a savage model10 action. it opens up longer ranges while being less susceptable to the wind.

im just of the opinion that the 223 is best left in the ar15 format

I disagree Jon.
There are a few manufacture's that only offer 1-12 twist rates,but most are 1-9 / 1-8 / and a few offer 1-7 twist rates.
My 1-9 Savage 12 shoots 75 grain BTHP and AMax bullets excellent,and I'd put it up against any AR anytime. The favorite load I have for that rifle is 60 grain V-Max bullets,it shoots under 1/4" groups with these bullets.

Lessdragon 09-19-2013 07:52 AM

Primarily for range practice but eventually for hunting deer. I live in nor cal so they are small enough. Price wise up too 1000 including the glass

squirrelhunter 09-19-2013 01:50 PM

I've got a Savage model 11 that is a real nice gun.

http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/...ps972d2ef7.jpg

CrazedJava 09-19-2013 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by squirrelhunter (Post 1376880)
I've got a Savage model 11 that is a real nice gun.

http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/...ps972d2ef7.jpg

My brother-in-law uses a Savage 11 for a coyote gun. Loves it.

hiwall 09-19-2013 02:47 PM

Lessdragon you do realize that the 223 is a very marginal deer caliber. Yes I know their are shooters that shoot deer, elk, moose, musk ox, hippos, etc with it but it is still a marginal deer round. I would suggest stepping up to a 243 or something.


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