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Old 08-31-2010, 12:46 AM   #11
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I called Federal and left a message this evening. Should get a call from em tomorrow.

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Old 08-31-2010, 01:17 AM   #12
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E-R, sounds great, please keep all of us updated on what you find out.

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Could also be a symptom of excessive headspace (large chamber/small ammo) if I'm not mistaken.
When the firing pin hits the primer it knocks the cartridge forward off the extractor. The pressure from the firing then forces the brass to expand off the shoulder and the case head slams back against the bolt face and severely flattens the primers (if not worse).
One of my cousins old 35 Whelens exhibited this problem. The bolt wasn't hard to lift or stiff, but the primers were flat as a pancake. Took it to the gunsmith, and found a slightly larger than spec chamber to be the problem.
Not saying that is the problem with yours, but I'd take it to a 'smith to be safe.

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The first pic has a bit of glare so I cannot be difinitive here, but the primers on the suspect ammo do appear to show more pressure signs. They appear to be more flattened. There is more cratering/flow than with the ammo in the second pic. I would definately consult with Federal. I would say it is an ammo problem with the first ammo.

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Well, no returned phone call from Federal and they didn't answer the phone when I tried em again today...not too sure I'm pleased with that.

On a good note, Savage couldn't have been any more helpful. I've got the gun all packaged up and ready to be shipped east tomorrow. They even said they'd reimburse me of the shipping charges I kinda hope they tell me the gun was OK from the beginning so I can get really upset with Federal.

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Any chance you could post close-up pics of these areas on these 2 cases?



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Old 09-02-2010, 03:49 AM   #17
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Sorry highpower...all the empties were sent to Savage with the rifle...but when I get a chance I can see if my 'puter has a picture editing program. I could zoom in on the original pic without much distortion - hopefully.

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My SOP is to start with the Ammo.

After you try some known high-quality ammo, you then start looking for gun problems.

Cheap ammo often gives oddball problems...

Take Remington Golden Bullet .22lr...most inconsistant ammo I've ever run across.
You can't get consistant chrony reads off a whole bulk pack. They're all over the place, and that ain't all.
Short powder loads,
No powder loads,
No primer loads,
Insufficient Primer in case,
Badly done crimping,
Different bullet diameters,
Probably why folks call 'em Remington Golden Bullsquish
Reminiscent of Thunderbolts (Thunderduds)

I constantly see people cussing their guns...when I wander over to check out the issue, it's most often the ammo that's the problem...closely followed by the trigger nut. After you rule out those two issues, diagnosis gets easier

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Got the gun back last week from Savage. Apparently it checked out ok. Not much said other than the gun was fired four times and cleaned. They sent the four fired casings back to me. Two of the primers look normal but the other two still have raised rings around the primer dent. I'll pick up some ammo to put through it this coming weekend and let you all know what I find out.

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Is there any "soot" around the neck of the case?
Some of the spent cases have a small "Ding" in them, indicating high pressure.

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