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Old 06-12-2010, 01:58 AM   #11
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Save your money and get yourself a Springfield M1A.

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Default Remmington 770/Saiga 308

A remmington 770 .308 or the saiga .308 is in your price range. I have both and they both will reach out and touch someone. The 770 is bolt action and the Saiga is semi-auto. The Saiga is about $500 the 770 is $379.

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if you want the distance (200-500) yds a scoped bolt gun may be your best bet (remington, winchester, marlin, savage/stevens are some good ones, and there are a few others)

but for a tough, reliable shtf rifle i would say 0-300 is a more realistic range. in which case, for your budget you should look at the SKS. every bit the reliable beater as the AK, but with a more solid built receiver. the Yugo version can be found for around 300 still i think, and if you take the time to squirrel away another 50-100 bucks you can get a decent condition russian one.

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Been thinking quite a bit about this, I'm thinking a Marlin 30-30. Pretty darn reliable, good for 200 yds, can put down a large critter if need be, and you don't look like a militia wannabe should a cop see you trotting around with it.

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Been thinking quite a bit about this, I'm thinking a Marlin 30-30. Pretty darn reliable, good for 200 yds, can put down a large critter if need be, and you don't look like a militia wannabe should a cop see you trotting around with it.
that's another great one. and in the price range. i've seen used ones in the 300-400 dollar range and a buddy of mine just bought one new in the box for 450.
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Your requirements IMO are gonna be to go for a bolt gun. you can get a used Savage 30-06 for 300-350$ You can also upgrade it to a heavy barrel and different stock. The nice thing with Savage/Stevens is you can get the barrel wrench and the go no go gauges and either change barrels or completely change calibers ( granted you'll have to stay with a short or long action caliber whichever you bought ) You really dont need a heavy barrel unless you are really doing some far out shots but thats gonna require you to go with specialized/reloaded/custom style ammo. You wont be doing 1000 yard shots with off the shelf ammo. you can get 4-5oo yards out of it if all is good with the rifle.
With other models if you wanna swap barrels you will need a gunsmith help

Although you can still find SKS rifles and Saigas for 350$ range and ammo is pretty cheap. You wont have 500 yard accuracy out of those rifles. SKS may be accurate to 350-400 yards. Accurate meaning it will hit a deer size target. it just wont be dead on precision. i can do 250-300 yards all day long with my sks shooting at a 12-14 inch metal gong. reason I havent gone further than 250-300 yards is because i just never though of it.

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A lever is good, .30-30 is not what I would choose. .45LC or .45-70. Nothing in between. 200 yards w/ a .45LC ?, it is not a 200 yard cartridge. I still like my BLR in .308. Shoots surplus 7.62x51 or commercial .308 very well. 150gr 300 yard rifle is fine by me. The issue is $.

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I too like those old BLRs, if you can find an old Belgian one. Probably getting pricey tho...

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first, i think in SHTF situation, for defense, you dont really need to reach out 500 plus yards. There are few situations even in food gathering where a 500 yard shot will ever present itself for most unless you live in the desert.

While im not saying, you dont need a 500 yard rifle, if you are looking for a worst case scenario rifle, you need an autoloader, the faster to load and higher capacity the better.

You said you wanted an AK or SKS, and i think those are excellent choices. Here is a link to a site with a nice romy military variation AK with a longer stock to fit most american shooters. Its only $350, which should fit your budget. Shipping should be under 20 bucks to your FFL dealer for a transfer.

Classic Arms Inc.

scroll down until you see ITEM # ROM-AK MV-BPS.............$349.95

Another option if you want to extend your range, is to save for a little bit and pick up a mosin nagant for around $100 bucks. Youre going to need to be putting money aside for mags and ammo anyway, might as well drop 20 dollars or so a week into a gun fund and get yourself geared up...


these two rifles are rugged, reliable and should cover your needs.

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Truthfully IMO you want to engage the "enemy" from the furthest point out that your weapons can reach. Remember once they are within the range of your weapons you are in the range of theirs.
That said the chances of sitting there and doing some sniping from 500 yards or more , you are assuming they do not have sharpshooters or snipers of their own. The long range rifle sounds great, but the way things are designed you wont get those 500-1000 yard shots. ( meaning you wont have the opportunity simply due to being caufght in a city or urban area you wont get the sight of 1000 yards and if you are in the country you may have 1000 yards but now you just alerted the opponent that you are in the area
Especially not in the city. Also have you ever carried a heavy rifle a long ways? I borrowed my buddys Remington 700 for a deer hunting trip. yeah that was a HEAVY rifle. When I got back I was glad to see my savage 110.
If you are planning on a SHTF situation get the lighter rifle (AR or AK shotgun etc) you can carry and load up on ammo.
Overall Ill take ammo over long range. Most fire fights are not gonna be long range anyway.

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