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Old 03-18-2012, 05:33 PM   #41
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In all fairness it wasn't Obama who got us into debt w/ China. We were in that long before he came ionto office. The real threat to our country are the real ones who run it; i.e., the large corperations, the banks, the insurance companies, the pharmacutical companies, and the medical profession. As far as protecting us, did any of those do anything to get rid of Sadam and Bin Ladin? No.
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You are listening to too much liberal propaganda. Read the new George Bush book Turning Points to get a different view.
We were in debt to China but not to the extent we are now. Obama has borrowed more money than any previous administration. He has run up more debt than Bush ever dreamed of and is now looking for another $6.2 trillion increase to pay for a health care plan the 58% of the voters did not want and that they lied about. The Medical profession will be one of the first to suffer along with the seniors. Bush was not the smartest but until the Democrats took over the House and Senate in the last 2 years of his term we had 52 months of straight gains in employment. He also warned the Senate 21 times to rein in the FM's. Bush did not cause the collapse, you can blame that on Democrat Senators Dodd, Jarvis and Franks along with the Wall Street Greed they played on. In my opinion it was intentional. So was the forced passage of Obama care to further wreck our economy. Add to that the fact the Obama and his cohorts are deliberately driving up gas prices by not allowing domestic oil production to reek more havoc on our economy. Even the unions are mad at him now. The in pocket union bosses are now trying to pacify the union members. We are being deliberately being pushed into an economic collapse with hyper inflation to make everyone dependent on the government. The next step is bondage. I hope you enjoy your chains.
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Spread the wealth? Or his healthcare plan?

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The Constitution shall never be construed … to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. –Samuel Adams

Once again, you cannot give me specifics or details. I have never heard of a "Spread the wealth" house or senate bill. Tell me about it. What in the healthcare plan is socialistic? People still will have the choice to buy any plan they want.
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Once again, you cannot give me specifics or details. I have never heard of a "Spread the wealth" house or senate bill. Tell me about it. What in the healthcare plan is socialistic? People still will have the choice to buy any plan they want.
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It was not a bill, it was his big plan while running in 08. Its his idealogy. And demanding everybody have health insurance. Or making catholic institutions cover birth control, but that was changed. Its his ideaolgy.

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What are "all of the other bills that have been popping up?" Name them. Give me the Senate and/or House bill numbers. And, who signed them? Facts please; not generalities.
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Wow. I Didn't know sheep could use a computer. I bid you adieu.
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To cover all the bases you will need an AR or AK for immediate defense. In addition good 12 gauge and lots of 00 buck shot would be very handy. If chaos endures and people become isolated than a suppressed 22lr would be needed. Stealth would be the key point. More than likely small communities or enclaves will form and organized militias will come about. There will also be roaming gangs raiding and pillaging. If they combine under a Warlord they will be a very formidable force. Compare this to the villages and Viking Raiders. Basically we are looking at a return to feudal times.

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Well, it looks like another post has been derailed by politics. I thought this discussion was supposed to be about rifles to use in the event of the collapse of society, not what caused the collapse. Some people are just plain miserable if they are not complaining about the evils of government. Hell NO I'm not happy about everything that is going on in our country right now, but I am not going to just sit around angry all the time and lash out at others. I will exercise my right to vote. I will speak out for what I believe. I will try to stay informed on the issues. I will not resort to name calling and trying to ridiculing those who disagree with me. This behavior just takes away from one's credibility.

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Cottontop you are lazy. You want everyone to run around and hand you answers to your questions. I have tried and I have given you some references. Do your own work. We are not the parents that are going to hand you everything on a silver platter. You will learn more if you do some research and not simply read or listen to some liberal propaganda.

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Dear Lady ! That is one fine pistol you have there! Ruger isn't it?
Regarding if the S should ever hit the fan. I would suggest having at least one rifle. Certainly not knocking the value of a pistol but depending upon your location you could possibly need a rifle and ammunition. I live in the boondocks so a rifle confrontation would be more than likely in my case. At least to hold someone off that in all probability would show up with a rifle or a shotgun. Not cool to confront with a pistol if for no other reason the weapon power and distance advantage they would have.That is why my choice was the AR-15 Rifle and ammunition accompanied by a good pistol. But one could go with a good SKS or AK style weapon that can be picked up for around $300-$450. Of course a good AR will run around $750-$1000. Or you could build a decent AR for around $675.00. Once again I sure like that pistol how does it shoot?

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Cottontop, I agree you should have the right to disagree without any name calling. In our zeal to defend the Constitution, we've got to remember it applies to all citizens. Some things are hard to pin down like the last NDAA. It is my understanding it was passed by a voice vote in the Senate and in the House there were three votes of dissent -two were Republicans and one was a Democrat (from MN if you can imagine that-fantastic!).
Perhaps I'm getting old and the memory is not what it was, not so long ago there was a picture of an Air Force Lt. General signing a treaty of mutual aid with a Canadian counterpart. Our local newspaper said nothing and I wondered if it had gone to the Senate for ratification. Perhaps it is only my perception, but I am wary after all the promises made and broken, "Homeland Security", Fast and Furious, the Feds sueing the states as they attempt to enforce existing law, the increase in Boarder Patrol along the Canadian Boarder (the Canadians I've met are really nice people). The head of the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, telling Congress that be has no idea where 16 trillion dollars went, only to find out the money was transfered to banks from S.Korea to Scotland and was dibursed by 3 giant US banks.
I hope and pray the sky is not falling. Our newspaper did report that Social Security is dibursing more funds than it is taking in and the so called Trust Fund was only money that had been borrowed and was covered simlly by the government's promises to pay. I don't like it , but it surely sound like a train wreck to me.

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