[nitestalker]

The little 44-40 WCF is not a legal big game Ctg. in my state. The 44 WCF is not a Bull Elk, Moose, Grizz, or big mule deer cap. The 30-30 in the strong 94 action with the new lever bullets can take most big game at short range. The Mdl. 1892 is a weak short action general purpose carbine intended for short handgun Ctgs.

[magnumman]

Originally Posted by willfully armed

I use my lever guns for close work. 65 yards is the longest shot I've taken with a levergun.

with a classic tube magazine lever gun, I agree it is a close range gun. I hunt with a Blr which has a box mag and is chambered in a wide variety of popular hunting rounds, both short and long action. I have taken many shots at well over 100 yards with it and had bolt action accuracy. IMO, this type of gun is the perfect fit for somebody that loves a lever action and wants to be able to shoot effective rounds at longer ranges.

[locutus]

Originally Posted by The_Kid

Ridiculous. Even with an outdated bullet design, the 30-30 has 67% more distance before the energy drops to the widely accepted 800ft-lbs for deer.

Using the "ballistics" of the FTX bullet, your distance doubles.

In my part of the country, the .30-30 is generally considered a 100 yard cartridge, regardless of ammo selection.

If you need a long range rig, get a .308 or .30-06.

[The_Kid]

Originally Posted by locutus

In my part of the country, the .30-30 is generally considered a 100 yard cartridge, regardless of ammo selection.

If you need a long range rig, get a .308 or .30-06.

In my part of the country, 300 yards isn't "long range."

I might add, effective range is calculated the same way with all firearms....and all regions of the country are subject to the same laws of physics.

[locutus]

Originally Posted by The_Kid

In my part of the country, 300 yards isn't "long range."

I might add, effective range is calculated the same way with all firearms....and all regions of the country are subject to the same laws of physics.

300 yards is long range in any part of the country

Effective range is not calculated. It's a combination of weapon, cartridge, field conditions, wind, altitude and the skill of the shooter.

[willfully armed]

300 yards is the short side of mid range.

I took a doe last season at 375 yards with my CZ 308. Brother shot the one next to it with a Savage 30-06.


Once I get my new glass on the 308, I wouldn't hesitate at 600.

[The_Kid]

Originally Posted by locutus

300 yards is long range in any part of the country

Effective range is not calculated. It's a combination of weapon, cartridge, field conditions, wind, altitude and the skill of the shooter.

Of course you make a "calculation" after you've compiled the data.

This might help.

calculate

1. to determine or ascertain by mathematical methods; compute: to calculate the velocity of light.
2. to determine by reasoning, common sense, or practical experience; estimate; evaluate; gauge.

Also; "calculating" the "effective range" of a specific cartridge is done by weighing the merits of the cartridge in likely conditions. It is implied that a competent marksman is using a properly functioning rifle.
That you add all these irrelevant items as if they impair the "effectiveness" of the round screams of desperation.

[locutus]

Originally Posted by The_Kid

. It is implied that a competent marksman is using a properly functioning rifle.
That you add all these irrelevant items as if they impair the "effectiveness" of the round screams of desperation.

And your posts scream of lack of experience.



Hate to say it, but you sound like a teenager that reads gun magazines and actually believes the krap printed in them.

[locutus]

Originally Posted by willfully armed

300 yards is the short side of mid range.

I took a doe last season at 375 yards with my CZ 308. Brother shot the one next to it with a Savage 30-06.


Once I get my new glass on the 308, I wouldn't hesitate at 600.

Out here in the wide open spaces, and big mountains of Wyoming, I usually make my shots at less than 200 yards. Many at less than 100.


OTOH, when I was younger, our elders taught us how to hunt, so that long shots would not be necessary.

I don't like tracking wounded animals, so i try to get close enough for a clean one shot kill.

[The_Kid]

Originally Posted by locutus

[I]you sound like a teenager

Abandoned the argument completely and jumped right into name calling. Classy.

You should provide reasoning behind your "lack of experience" assertion; otherwise it screams of desperation.

But let us pretend your assertion needs refutation...
My hundreds of videos displaying one shot hits at what you think as long range buries your feeble argument.
How is this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1qsWjy8VSU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1qsWjy8VSU

this is a good one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlX3I8PoRP4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlX3I8PoRP4

Please comment further and dig yourself deeper.