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Old 06-16-2012, 10:47 AM   #21
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There are things to consider if selecting a lever gun as a "fighting" tool. It can suffer from some of the same trade-offs as a pump shotgun.

- in .30-30 you get good power but it comes at a cost of recoil
- they are not as expensive as a black rifle and are pretty "PC"
- when compared to a black rifle they have low capacity
- keeping them loaded is not as fast and can require a lot more manipulation
- they will require constant manipulation and feeding if they are required to be fired for any extended period of time.
- because of a tubular mag they are restricted to round or flat nosed ammo that limits range unless you go with Hornady FTX.

That being said, if you knw how to use one they are still a viable option. It is better to have an extra gun that you can still find ammo for when your preferred ammo can not be found.

I'd still get the AR first, but a good lever gun in .30-30 is nice to have to round out a gun battery. It's also still a better choice for hunting some game animals.

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$1/round for .223 eh? I'd like to see that documented.

As for the .30-30, that was a "battle rifle" where exactly please!?

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In the west. A gunfight is a gunfight whether its personal or for your country its still a battle.

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$1/round for .223 eh? I'd like to see that documented.

As for the .30-30, that was a "battle rifle" where exactly please!?
Lever guns being used by foreign countries, such as Turkey, was the

impetus for the creation of the Mosin and the Mauser. Granted, 125+

years ago, but lever rifles have been "battle tested" successfully.

I'm getting too old for this sh-er, stuff, but I would not hesitate to

bring a lever-gun to war, if need arose. They are dependable, accurate,

and lightweight.
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Winchester 1895 was made for teh Russian Army chambered in 7.62x54R withthe capability to accept stripper clips and a bayonet.

Again at that time laoding being restricted through a loading gate was not a huge disadvantage until top loading and stripper clips became common. Back then it wouldn't be as big of a disadvantage before the advent of intermediate cartridges and high capacity box magazines that allow the user to recharge a weapon with 20, 30, 40, 75, or 100 rounds by simply pushing a button to drop a mag, insert a new mag and recharge.

As to the price of .223 those were "panic prices" if you could even find any. Gunshows in Jax were charging up to $900 for a case of 5.56, because you couldn't find it anywhere (you could occasionally get in an order online on backorder, but case prices were still at $500-600 per case and per box prices were anywhere from $15-$20 per box of 20 rounds. It was gouging to be sure, at the gunshows.

It was fairly short lived, but still folks will pay some stupid prices when they didn't buy ahead of time and they think that all of their gun freedom is going to disappear overnight. I do recall still being able to walk into Wal-Mart and buy .30-30 ammo at that time.

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$1/round for .223 eh? I'd like to see that documented.

As for the .30-30, that was a "battle rifle" where exactly please!?
Not sure anyone said the .30-30 was a cartridge used in a battle rifle. Lever actions where.
.223/5.56 was .80.. 1.00 a round when the current administration came in. It was major panic. Documented? You would need an online add from 3 years ago, not gonna happen.

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Winchester 1895 was made for teh Russian Army chambered in 7.62x54R withthe capability to accept stripper clips and a bayonet.

Again at that time laoding being restricted through a loading gate was not a huge disadvantage until top loading and stripper clips became common. Back then it wouldn't be as big of a disadvantage before the advent of intermediate cartridges and high capacity box magazines that allow the user to recharge a weapon with 20, 30, 40, 75, or 100 rounds by simply pushing a button to drop a mag, insert a new mag and recharge.

As to the price of .223 those were "panic prices" if you could even find any. Gunshows in Jax were charging up to $900 for a case of 5.56, because you couldn't find it anywhere (you could occasionally get in an order online on backorder, but case prices were still at $500-600 per case and per box prices were anywhere from $15-$20 per box of 20 rounds. It was gouging to be sure, at the gunshows.

It was fairly short lived, but still folks will pay some stupid prices when they didn't buy ahead of time and they think that all of their gun freedom is going to disappear overnight. I do recall still being able to walk into Wal-Mart and buy .30-30 ammo at that time.
Yep, Lever action ammo for tube mag rifles was still around. My .44-40 is not something I'd want to be in front of, ask any Western tribe. It causes horrific wounds at up to 200 yards. 100 yards, your dead. That is from a pistol cartridge. The .30-30 is a great round similar to the 7.62x39 in some ways, but carries more mass weight for penetration.
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I believe the Winchester 1895 lever action was manufactured as a service rifle for the U.S. for a time and was chambered in .30-06. I know Teddy Roosevelt liked it as a hunting rifle.
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you can get a nice 30-30 lever gun for around 350 and it was the BR of choice for an entire era...
I am familiar with Win. lever military guns from Henry's to today but am not an expert to be sure. I'm positive there musta been other one offs and oddities but the only .30-30's that I know of (IIRC) were used by small naval landing parties in WWII. No main battle rifle cartridge that!

Checked my records -- most I paid since '08 election was less than $0.50/round for blemished new Olin 62 grain milsurp (all you could get during active campaigning in The Sandbox) and that was delivered and paid in installments over months! $1/round? People really musta got caught with their shorts down -- I never saw any such thing but then I wasn't buying 20-rounds.
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Mdl.99 Savage .300 Savage Musket was offered to the U.S. Army for testing. The rifle did not make the grade. The .300 Savage Ctg. became the father of the .308 military Ctg. The last Indian War battle fought in Wyoming "The Battle of Lightning Creek" the whites were armed with 1903 Spfld Rifles. Not the 92 WCF movie rifles.

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Back in 95 I bought a Russian SKS imported my KBI of an Army buddy for $75.00!

Best gun buy I've ever made.

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