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Old 09-25-2012, 01:08 PM   #21
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Even educated gun folk sometimes mess up the definitions.

An assault rifle is a real term used to describe a rifle that is select fire and fires an intermediately powered round (that being between the round the battle rifle fires and that of a pistol or sub machine gun.

An assault weapon is one that looks scary or can be made to look scary.

I only correct the distinction because if we are going to fight the anti-gunners then we need to be able to properly articulate ourselves.

Anyway. Id imagine that any future assault weapon ban would include anything that is semiautomatic and has a detachable magazine.
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Assault is an action. Weapon is a noun. Since the weapon can not perform an action on its own, there can be no assault weapon.

What there is, is an agreement between the media puppets and people want to ban guns, like the Brady Bunch, that the term "assault weapon" is a recognized term to refer to weaponry looking like military weaponry.

I know of no manufacturer who offers an "assault weapon" model. There are specific action designed weapons, such as CQB, door breaching or sniping, but none of those weapons can do a thing without human hands guiding them.

Buying into the term "Assault" being anything more than an action committed by a human being is allowing yourself to be used by said media.

When protestors throw rocks and bottles at police, are they using evil, "assault" rocks and bottles?

Of all the knife and screw driver attacks that are reported, are any of them ever described as an assault knife or an assault screwdriver?

A person can commit assault with anything they can get their hands upon, but any inanimate object can do nothing on it's own.

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If there is an "Assault Rifle" ban, what exactly would that be?

Would the limits/changes be restricted to FFL items like full rifles or lowers, or would it also include uppers/barrels and other parts that are not actually considered to be the "the firearm" (no FFL required)?

I know no one knows exactly but do we have any idea what it would look like?
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Mods- why was this thread moved from Legal/Activism to General Rifle Discussion? Isn't the thread directly related to legal and 2nd amendment rights?
It seems you are asking technical question along the lines of "At what point does it become an assault rifle" which I see as a technical issue along side being a legal one.
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Lol I'll pass thanks! Not a huge fan of living in Florida but for now it's not looking so bad.
Florida is among the most 2A friendly states in the union. The only thing we don't have is open carry, and that may change soon. Open carry means nothing to me, I will never carry "cowboy" any way, the benefits of surprise outweigh everyone else knowing you are carrying.
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Assault is an action. Weapon is a noun. Since the weapon can not perform an action on its own, there can be no assault weapon.

What there is, is an agreement between the media puppets and people want to ban guns, like the Brady Bunch, that the term "assault weapon" is a recognized term to refer to weaponry looking like military weaponry.

I know of no manufacturer who offers an "assault weapon" model. There are specific action designed weapons, such as CQB, door breaching or sniping, but none of those weapons can do a thing without human hands guiding them.

Buying into the term "Assault" being anything more than an action committed by a human being is allowing yourself to be used by said media.

When protestors throw rocks and bottles at police, are they using evil, "assault" rocks and bottles?

Of all the knife and screw driver attacks that are reported, are any of them ever described as an assault knife or an assault screwdriver?

A person can commit assault with anything they can get their hands upon, but any inanimate object can do nothing on it's own.

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True. A toothpick is an assault weapon in the right hands.
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I googled "Assault Weapon" a few nights ago to see the exact definition in Kommiefornia law and clicked on the Wikipedia page, it told me that an assault weapon was any item used to assault another person. Come on liberals, even Wikipedia knows!
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Sorry peeps, I really didn't mean to start a debate over the defenition of "assault rifle". I should know better than to throw that term out there by now.

The point of thread was that I'd like to understand what type of restrictions we could see in regards to AR15 and similar type weapons and if the restirctions would be more broad then just on the FFL items to include uppers, barrels, magazines etc.

I appreciate the insight into this topic so far, thanks.
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It seems you are asking technical question along the lines of "At what point does it become an assault rifle" which I see as a technical issue along side being a legal one.
Sorry my post was misleading...it was more directed at the legal issue and what hardware might be restricted.
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Florida is among the most 2A friendly states in the union. The only thing we don't have is open carry, and that may change soon. Open carry means nothing to me, I will never carry "cowboy" any way, the benefits of surprise outweigh everyone else knowing you are carrying.


My sentiments exactly. But the "macho, tough guy" crowd can't see the point of being armed unless the whole world can see it and fear you.
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I am not a fan of Open Carry. Why give the Bad Guy a tactical advantage of knowing what he is about to be taken out with?

As for the "Assault Weapon" thing, I would like to consider myself an expert on them. I did carry and M16A1, M16A1/M203, and the ever lovable M60. And I did assault many a wooden structure in my days, but there were no Anti-Gunners in the area to get scared, so guess that they just qualified as ordinary weapons.

Suffice it to say, as long as the Anti-Gunners exist, black - red tipped squirt guns will be classified as "Assault Weapons". Civil minded gun owners do not own "Assault Weapons". We own "Military Styled" sporting weapons.


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