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GhettoD 02-19-2013 05:28 AM

AK-47 .223 Jam and Bump-Fire
 
Hi all. I was hoping some of you have had any experience with a .223 AK-47 feed issues and maybe some accidental bump-fire automatic tendencies.
I was at the range to test out my virgin Norinco underfolder AK-47 that has been in my father's closet for more than 20 years. First shot was a automatic-like double fire and was followed by a jam. I was using old norinco .223 ammo. After a few jams, double feeds and a casing stuck in the bolt carrier, i put it away.
Anyone else

kytowboater 02-19-2013 05:30 AM

A .223 ak clone?? O.o


I thought those were only 7.62x39 or 5.45x39???

GhettoD 02-19-2013 05:46 AM

No they are very rare. There are a few .223 AK out there. I went to the gunshow in LV this past weekend and saw .223 AK mags for $160 each. I just want to make sure it is safe and legal so I can shoot it competently.

kytowboater 02-19-2013 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GhettoD
No they are very rare. There are a few .223 AK out there. I went to the gunshow in LV this past weekend and saw .223 AK mags for $160 each. I just want to make sure it is safe and legal so I can shoot it competently.

Like a converted saiga?

GhettoD 02-19-2013 05:55 AM

Its a Norinco....factory fresh 20-25 years ago. Im new to AKs and rifles in general just as I am to this forum. Building an AR right now. I dont think anything has been "converted".

kytowboater 02-19-2013 05:59 AM

Ah. Anyhow, I would strip it down and clean it really good. Sounds like the firing pin channel is gunked up. That may cause the slam fire. I'm not an ak guy, I know nothing about them.

GhettoD 02-19-2013 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kytowboater
Ah. Anyhow, I would strip it down and clean it really good. Sounds like the firing pin channel is gunked up. That may cause the slam fire. I'm not an ak guy, I know nothing about them.

I was going to strip it tomorrow. That was the first time it was fired and I wanted to see if it would fire with the legendary AK reliability. Hindsight being 20/20, I think I should've done that before I fired it. Thanks for your input and I will thoroughly clean it.

I also wanted to know if anyone has a .223 AK and experiences jams. I have heard that the .223 magazines can cause problems. Different magazines can work better than others.

locutus 02-19-2013 02:31 PM

AKs are notorious for slam firing with commercial ammo or hand loads with commercial primers.

If you hand load try Remington #7 1/2 primers. They're MilSpec.

Make sure factory ammo is MilSpec.

If you have a depth micrometer measure firing pin protrusion. Norinco typically is .060 or greater.

You can carefully trim your firing pin to .030-.035 protrusion. that will usually cure slam firing.

One word of caution. Primers are normally seated ,005 below flush. .020 is generally considered the minimum indention needed for reliable ignition, so protrusion must not be less then .025. And .030 is better, IMHO to give a bit of a cushion

GhettoD 02-20-2013 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by locutus
AKs are notorious for slam firing with commercial ammo or hand loads with commercial primers.

If you hand load try Remington #7 1/2 primers. They're MilSpec.

Make sure factory ammo is MilSpec.

If you have a depth micrometer measure firing pin protrusion. Norinco typically is .060 or greater.

You can carefully trim your firing pin to .030-.035 protrusion. that will usually cure slam firing.

One word of caution. Primers are normally seated ,005 below flush. .020 is generally considered the minimum indention needed for reliable ignition, so protrusion must not be less then .025. And .030 is better, IMHO to give a bit of a cushion

Thank you for you input. I will bring this to my gunsmiths attention.


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